RODGERS "PRIME TIME PERFORMER!"

[packerbacker1234]

There are many reasons that team got better, including Favre.

Amen.

Agreed. I was not solely giving Favre credit, but look at what those FA aquisitions have done.

Despite the line upgrades - the jets OL is horrible. Thomas Jones has been very underwhelming by himself, let alone the lack of blocking. Kris Jenkins, to this point, is the only real FA aquisition outside of Favre to make a major impact ont he team. If he isn't on the field, the jets can't play defense. If he is? SOme reason he is the defensive cog, just like favre is the offensive cog.

[Bretsky]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-07-30-offseason-grades_N.htm

Here's an except from a USA Today article on free agent acquisitions this summer - published prior to the Favre trade.


"NEW YORK JETS - A-

It remains to be seen if the Jets make a play for a certain Packers quarterback they wanted to draft in 1991. Regardless, New York has already made $140 million worth of noise to upgrade its roster. G Alan Faneca and T Damien Woody should help the running game take flight, especially with FB Tony Richardson also on board. Rookie sack artist Vernon Gholston is expected to be a force, and LB Calvin Pace fits the 3-4 defense like a glove, though new NT Kris Jenkins must adapt. Locking up S Kerry Rhodes was a wise move. Now about that quarterback position ... "



I guess you can watch tape of the old Jet roster from last year and give Favre all the credit for the team raising its performance to mediocre from awful - if you're a simpleton.

Scott,

It sounds like you might be making a case for using free agency to better a team

[Scott Campbell]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-07-30-offseason-grades_N.htm

Here's an except from a USA Today article on free agent acquisitions this summer - published prior to the Favre trade.


"NEW YORK JETS - A-

It remains to be seen if the Jets make a play for a certain Packers quarterback they wanted to draft in 1991. Regardless, New York has already made $140 million worth of noise to upgrade its roster. G Alan Faneca and T Damien Woody should help the running game take flight, especially with FB Tony Richardson also on board. Rookie sack artist Vernon Gholston is expected to be a force, and LB Calvin Pace fits the 3-4 defense like a glove, though new NT Kris Jenkins must adapt. Locking up S Kerry Rhodes was a wise move. Now about that quarterback position ... "



I guess you can watch tape of the old Jet roster from last year and give Favre all the credit for the team raising its performance to mediocre from awful - if you're a simpleton.

Scott,

It sounds like you might be making a case for using free agency to better a team

I'm all for it, as long as were landing more players like Woodson and Pickett, and not players like Manuel and Joe Johnson. I also don't want us signing so many that were constantly battling the cap, and we have to watch other teams take players we'd rather keep like Wahle.

It's one of the tools of the trade.

[RashanGary]

Scott,

It sounds like you might be making a case for using free agency to better a team

I'll jump in here too

Patler brought up an interesting point on Olineman. Sometimes a situation can effect an offensive lineman and he can improve just by a change to stable scenery. Also, I think there is a bit of a progression for these guys. I believe real, brute power takes more time to develop than explosion or speed. The positions that require explosion and speed tend to be able to play sooner than the positions that require power. Offensive lineman can take time to really get their NFL strength and because of that I think teams can give up too soon as well. Teams seem to regularly swoop in and add quality lineman. Dallas made a whole unit of them. I think maybe DT's could be similar. Pickett is an example, but many DT's seem to play poorly early (power run stuffers more than quick pass rushers). Maybe you can pick one up just entering his physical prime that was given up on by the previous team.

I'm more open to OL (esspecially interior) and DT in free agency because they are such long developing positions and there have been more examples of recent success than at other positions. I'm also open to free agency at any position, but it can't be a move jsut to make a move. I think there are fewer good moves than we want to believe.

[Scott Campbell]

I was not solely giving Favre credit......

Yes you were. Re-read your initial post.

[Bretsky]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-07-30-offseason-grades_N.htm

Here's an except from a USA Today article on free agent acquisitions this summer - published prior to the Favre trade.


"NEW YORK JETS - A-

It remains to be seen if the Jets make a play for a certain Packers quarterback they wanted to draft in 1991. Regardless, New York has already made $140 million worth of noise to upgrade its roster. G Alan Faneca and T Damien Woody should help the running game take flight, especially with FB Tony Richardson also on board. Rookie sack artist Vernon Gholston is expected to be a force, and LB Calvin Pace fits the 3-4 defense like a glove, though new NT Kris Jenkins must adapt. Locking up S Kerry Rhodes was a wise move. Now about that quarterback position ... "



I guess you can watch tape of the old Jet roster from last year and give Favre all the credit for the team raising its performance to mediocre from awful - if you're a simpleton.

Scott,

It sounds like you might be making a case for using free agency to better a team

I'm all for it, as long as were landing more players like Woodson and Pickett, and not players like Manuel and Joe Johnson. I also don't want us signing so many that were constantly battling the cap, and we have to watch other teams take players we'd rather keep like Wahle.

It's one of the tools of the trade.

Completely agree; it's part of the equation

The key is hitting on the players

[Scott Campbell]

Completely agree; it's part of the equation

The key is hitting on the players

I think "value" is key too. If you're overpaying too many good players, you can end up tying your hands. I'm conservative, and even I think Ted has gone too conservative.

[Pugger]

Injury never kept Favre from making a start, even when that injury was a fractured thumb on his throwing hand - an injury that isn't going to heal very fast when he's taking 60 snaps from center every game on top of throwing 30+ passes. Or how about the wicked shot he took from LaVar Arrington a few years back when we saw his knee buckle and thought he'd never play football again. I don't recall a single person crying that Favre should have been sat down to let those or any of his other injuries heal. Not a soul. All anyone said about it was that he was a warrior with the heart of a champion - which is true. So why is Brett any different in this situation than Rodgers?

Yes, why is that? As long as the doctors don't feel he will make the the injury worse by playing (and I heard he is feeling better this week than last) why should we wring our hands? Everyone thought Brett was being a warrior for playing thru injuries but some don't if Aaron displays the same character? I just wonder if Rodgers, by gutting out a pretty decent performance last week in a h3ll of a lot of pain, made leadership brownie points with his teammates? We've all been wondering who the next guy was gonna be to take over BF's leadership role. They say guys become leaders by getting their peer's respect. Maybe we'll see some subtle changes in attitude today?

[MOBB DEEP]

Injury never kept Favre from making a start, even when that injury was a fractured thumb on his throwing hand - an injury that isn't going to heal very fast when he's taking 60 snaps from center every game on top of throwing 30+ passes. Or how about the wicked shot he took from LaVar Arrington a few years back when we saw his knee buckle and thought he'd never play football again. I don't recall a single person crying that Favre should have been sat down to let those or any of his other injuries heal. Not a soul. All anyone said about it was that he was a warrior with the heart of a champion - which is true. So why is Brett any different in this situation than Rodgers?

Yes, why is that? As long as the doctors don't feel he will make the the injury worse by playing (and I heard he is feeling better this week than last) why should we wring our hands? Everyone thought Brett was being a warrior for playing thru injuries but some don't if Aaron displays the same character? I just wonder if Rodgers, by gutting out a pretty decent performance last week in a h3ll of a lot of pain, made leadership brownie points with his teammates? We've all been wondering who the next guy was gonna be to take over BF's leadership role. They say guys become leaders by getting their peer's respect. Maybe we'll see some subtle changes in attitude today?

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