Notes: Harrell expected to provide relief at DT

[SnakeLH2006]

[quote="DonHutson"]

Terrell Buckley is a Packer bust that eeked out a passable NFL career. Mandarich is a bust by any standard.

And despite my current apathy for Harrell, he shouldn't be called a bust yet. He has time to turn it around. However, I'm starting to get a Jamal Reynolds vibe from the guy, like he's ambivalent about being a football player. I hope I'm wrong, but that's not a good sign.

I remember Buckley being drafted watching him at FSU (always been a HUGE FSU fan esp. in the 90's) but he eked out a pretty solid career kind of similar to Desmond Howard (huge expectations, fizzled early, really made some huge plays later and had a solid career). TBuck was definitely not a bust. Mandarich was because he couldn't make any plays as a Packer and was a stopgap at best on Oline with Infante with the Colts (he never flashed his college talent once in the pro's.)

As far as the Jamal Reynolds comparison, I too, am getting the same exact vibes, as it looks thus far as history is repeating itself with JH.

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[quote="SnakeLH2006"]

Terrell Buckley is a Packer bust that eeked out a passable NFL career. Mandarich is a bust by any standard.

And despite my current apathy for Harrell, he shouldn't be called a bust yet. He has time to turn it around. However, I'm starting to get a Jamal Reynolds vibe from the guy, like he's ambivalent about being a football player. I hope I'm wrong, but that's not a good sign.

I remember Buckley being drafted watching him at FSU (always been a HUGE FSU fan esp. in the 90's) but he eked out a pretty solid career kind of similar to Desmond Howard (huge expectations, fizzled early, really made some huge plays later and had a solid career). TBuck was definitely not a bust. Mandarich was because he couldn't make any plays as a Packer and was a stopgap at best on Oline with Infante with the Colts (he never flashed his college talent once in the pro's.)

As far as the Jamal Reynolds comparison, I too, am getting the same exact vibes, as it looks thus far as history is repeating itself with JH.

Jamal Reynolds never ever ever looked like an NFL football player.. JH has made a couple plays when healthy. At least enough to make me scratch my beard ...

[SnakeLH2006]

[quote="mission"]

Terrell Buckley is a Packer bust that eeked out a passable NFL career. Mandarich is a bust by any standard.

And despite my current apathy for Harrell, he shouldn't be called a bust yet. He has time to turn it around. However, I'm starting to get a Jamal Reynolds vibe from the guy, like he's ambivalent about being a football player. I hope I'm wrong, but that's not a good sign.

I remember Buckley being drafted watching him at FSU (always been a HUGE FSU fan esp. in the 90's) but he eked out a pretty solid career kind of similar to Desmond Howard (huge expectations, fizzled early, really made some huge plays later and had a solid career). TBuck was definitely not a bust. Mandarich was because he couldn't make any plays as a Packer and was a stopgap at best on Oline with Infante with the Colts (he never flashed his college talent once in the pro's.)

As far as the Jamal Reynolds comparison, I too, am getting the same exact vibes, as it looks thus far as history is repeating itself with JH.

Jamal Reynolds never ever ever looked like an NFL football player.. JH has made a couple plays when healthy. At least enough to make me scratch my beard ...

Hmm...last I checked I saw EVERY Packer game since 92. What game did I miss where JH ONCE looked like an average player? Just cuz your beard itches doesn't mean you have football knowledge....maybe nightclub knowledge if yo shit itches...but I could start a thread on that too as my shit don't itch but have many meaningful conversations to give you some advice on that. Just fucking with ya, but how the fuck can you say JH has done NEthing?

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Im really just talkin about the few times ive SEEN him on the field... he made a couple plays in the backfield, scored a preseason touchdown, etc... when i say a few times lookin decent, i really mean a FEW times... preseason not withstanding.

[SnakeLH2006]

Im really just talkin about the few times ive SEEN him on the field... he made a couple plays in the backfield, scored a preseason touchdown, etc... when i say a few times lookin decent, i really mean a FEW times... preseason not withstanding.

JH is meaningless. It's our scheme that is shitty. To expect much out of a guy that shows up out of shape and shows no passion is futile. But, it is fun to see the guy ("who used to run these forums late nite") show up late nite to trade posts. JH sux and has shown nothing (regardless of his draft status).

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Im not trying to make an argument for JH under any circumstance besides he's already given us more than Reynolds ever did from what I remember ... not that that means more than a thumb in the ass on a cold winter night.

[SnakeLH2006]

Im not trying to make an argument for JH under any circumstance besides he's already given us more than Reynolds ever did from what I remember ... not that that means more than a thumb in the ass on a cold winter night.

Haahaha...I really laughed at your end quote...It was good. But I don't remember JH doing any more than JR.

[Guiness]

Mandarich always gets a really bad rap because of the hype that surrounded him. I remember many at the time saying Dallas was stupid taking Aikman over him, and that if they didn't need a QB so badly they wouldn't even consider it. A lot of other guys went high, and didn't do anything, but just slipped away. A guy like Emtmen. Maybe a Curtis Enis.

Another guy who gets slammed unnecessarily, because he actually played well is Mamula.

[Patler]

Mandarich always gets a really bad rap because of the hype that surrounded him. I remember many at the time saying Dallas was stupid taking Aikman over him, and that if they didn't need a QB so badly they wouldn't even consider it. A lot of other guys went high, and didn't do anything, but just slipped away. A guy like Emtmen. Maybe a Curtis Enis.

Another guy who gets slammed unnecessarily, because he actually played well is Mamula.

I remember an article a while ago about "all-time draft busts" that, of course had Mandarich near the top. They talked to several anonymous execs of other teams. One said they all felt bad for the Packers, the way it turned out, because so many of them wanted Mandarich so badly. He said many had tried to trade up to get him and the only teams who didn't want him were the few who had young, all-pro LTs. He said they all believed Mandarich was as certain to be a star as anyone who had come along in many years. He said they all figured you could draft him, put him at tackle on Day 1 and forget about the position for the next 10 years.

[Rastak]

Similar to the Raiders and Robert Gallery.....

http://www.examiner.com/x-514-Oakland-Raiders-Examiner~topic14874-Robert-Gallery

[bobblehead]

Mandarich always gets a really bad rap because of the hype that surrounded him. I remember many at the time saying Dallas was stupid taking Aikman over him, and that if they didn't need a QB so badly they wouldn't even consider it. A lot of other guys went high, and didn't do anything, but just slipped away. A guy like Emtmen. Maybe a Curtis Enis.

Another guy who gets slammed unnecessarily, because he actually played well is Mamula.

I remember an article a while ago about "all-time draft busts" that, of course had Mandarich near the top. They talked to several anonymous execs of other teams. One said they all felt bad for the Packers, the way it turned out, because so many of them wanted Mandarich so badly. He said many had tried to trade up to get him and the only teams who didn't want him were the few who had young, all-pro LTs. He said they all believed Mandarich was as certain to be a star as anyone who had come along in many years. He said they all figured you could draft him, put him at tackle on Day 1 and forget about the position for the next 10 years.

This shows 2 things...the NFL draft is somewhat of a crapshoot. and you read a similar article to the one I read on vinny testaverde (who was plugged in for the next 20 years)

[Harlan Huckleby]

He said they all believed Mandarich was as certain to be a star as anyone who had come along in many years. He said they all figured you could draft him, put him at tackle on Day 1 and forget about the position for the next 10 years.

Mandarich said recently that he took massive amounts of steroids in college, and the last time he took a steroid was shortly after the NFL draft. (I heard this second hand from Tarek Saleh on his radio show.)

It seems to me that Mandarich committed a massive fraud. And then he denied ever taking steroids for about 10 years.

I suppose screwing the NFL is not like cheating a person, but it still seems pretty crummy.

[DonHutson]

It seems to me that Mandarich committed a massive fraud. And then he denied ever taking steroids for about 10 years.

I suppose screwing the NFL is not like cheating a person, but it still seems pretty crummy.

I agree. But I also blame the Packers for not doing their homework. There were rumors even at the time that Mandarich was the place to go for steroids at Michigan State. It shouldn't have taken too much digging to find enough red flags to pass on him.

But the fact that other teams were interested as well exonerates the Pack to some extent. I guess teams typically didn't investigate as thoroughly then as they do now. Cases like Tony are why every team (except the Bengals) talks to everybody a player has ever met in this day and age.

[Gunakor]

What is a bust? Mandarich played 9 NFL seasons. I just can't call any player who is good enough to last 9 seasons in the NFL a bust. Regardless of where he was drafted. That's twice the average NFL career. I'd call him a disappointment, but seeing as how he forged a fairly lengthy career in the pros I can't call him a complete bust. I think people generally call him one of the biggest busts in NFL history simply because of who was drafted immediately after him, and don't even realize he played as long as he did. IMO a 9 year player isn't a bust.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Mandarach was a washout after a few years in the NFL, he stuck that long just based on potential and draft position. Then he left the NFL entirely for a couple years. Returned and became an OK starter for several seasons.

Probably he needed the years off to train.

Saying that he had a 9-year career is a little misleading. Maybe you are right that he wasn't a bust, in that he came back successfully. Certainly he was a huge bust in his first NFL stint.