Be TT for a day. Do you do the C. Williams trade NOW?

[SnakeLH2006]

When I say be TT for a day, I'm not talking about catching trout with fine young men in the basement, so hear me out.

It looks as if our D-Line rotation is in shambles. I liked C-Will yet I wasn't sad to seem him go nor were many posters when that trade for a 2nd round pick went down. I thought he had very good pass rush ability yet seemed vulnerable to the run.

Looking back it's easy to say we shouldn't have made the trade, as I don't care much for Brohm now or in the future with Iron Man Aaron leading the charge (who's done well), yet maybe we could have drafted a deece DT with that pick?

Here's how I'm looking at it. Did/do we want to tie up a massive contract with C-Will? I definitely didn't and have softened as our D-Line has too, yet I still wouldn't want his HUGE contract for a seemingly unmotivated player who flashes brilliance, and average play most of the time. Seems pretty lazy and happy to have a fat contract. Yet, he's better than what we have currently, so it's kinda moot point.

I don't think he would have made much of a difference this year. We'd be better but really, could C-Will have been the difference in our Run D this year or a sack or 3 thus far? My blame is on our D scheme (so where's that LB blitz package Bob?) and the lackluster play from Jolly and even Pickett thus far. Is C. Cole the answer? Didn't think so. Why'd we keep that tard?

I doubt one player like C-WIll (as I made this thread with a few peeps thinking he'd be the ANSWER on other threads lately, lol, and still support the trade for the 2nd (just not Brohm as it looked good at the time..not so much now).

My vote is do the trade TT! Just don't pick Brohm again!

[Harlan Huckleby]

they didn't have to pay a massive contract. They could have stuck him with a franchise tag, kept him around for one more year as an insurance policy until JH proved himself.

[Scott Campbell]

Since the trade, Harrell got hurt, Jenkins went on IR, and I think Jolly got arrested after the trade too. No, I do not make that trade today. It's a completely different set of circumstances.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Would I trade a 2nd round pick and give up a huge long-term contract to get Corey Williams back? I wouldn't. It would be nice to have him on the team, but he's not worth that.

[SnakeLH2006]

they didn't have to pay a massive contract. They could have stuck him with a franchise tag, kept him around for one more year as an insurance policy until JH proved himself.

Well it would have been 7 million as a transition player and 9 million for a franchise player for 1 year. Peanuts I guess this year, but how many teams really do this? What I mean is how many teams tie up a huge 1 year deal with no chance to resign or want that player? Most try to resign that player cuz he's one of the best at their position. I doubt C-Will is one of the best 32 DT's right now. Why pay him as such?

Don't hold your breath on JH dude.

[SnakeLH2006]

I guess I'm right. Right now at 6-0 get that 2nd for C-Will. I think he's ok, but good to see we see more of prob. with the scheme or don't pay that lazy mofo C-Will crazy money.

[Partial]

Would I trade a 2nd round pick and give up a huge long-term contract to get Corey Williams back? I wouldn't. It would be nice to have him on the team, but he's not worth that.

Right on the money.

[SnakeLH2006]

Would I trade a 2nd round pick and give up a huge long-term contract to get Corey Williams back? I wouldn't. It would be nice to have him on the team, but he's not worth that.

Right on the money.

Once again........but where are all those C-WIll lovers? He's OK but the fuck if I'd give him 7 million plus a year to keep him here. This thread was a diss to those who thought we'd be better off with C-WIll....regardless of Brohm...I'd still take that 2nd anyday....Does NE1 have C-Will's stats tho thus far?

[SnakeLH2006]

ok..8-0...i agreee as do we all...why does our DL suck so bad?

[Pacopete4]

Would I trade a 2nd round pick and give up a huge long-term contract to get Corey Williams back? I wouldn't. It would be nice to have him on the team, but he's not worth that.

Right on the money.

Once again........but where are all those C-WIll lovers? He's OK but the fuck if I'd give him 7 million plus a year to keep him here. This thread was a diss to those who thought we'd be better off with C-WIll....regardless of Brohm...I'd still take that 2nd anyday....Does NE1 have C-Will's stats tho thus far?

well where are the Arod lovers then?... cuz we don't need Brohm if Arod is the real deal right?


If Arod is supposed the real deal, then ya... of course I want Williams instead of Brohm... but of course those Arod backers wont show their face and put their nuts on the line for that cause

oh and they'll probably give some excuse of...

"we need a very good backup QB" blah, blah, blah....

[cpk1994]

Would I trade a 2nd round pick and give up a huge long-term contract to get Corey Williams back? I wouldn't. It would be nice to have him on the team, but he's not worth that.

Right on the money.

Once again........but where are all those C-WIll lovers? He's OK but the fuck if I'd give him 7 million plus a year to keep him here. This thread was a diss to those who thought we'd be better off with C-WIll....regardless of Brohm...I'd still take that 2nd anyday....Does NE1 have C-Will's stats tho thus far?

well where are the Arod lovers then?... cuz we don't need Brohm if Arod is the real deal right?


If Arod is supposed the real deal, then ya... of course I want Williams instead of Brohm... but of course those Arod backers wont show their face and put their nuts on the line for that cause

oh and they'll probably give some excuse of...

"we need a very good backup QB" blah, blah, blah....

Oh really? Williams is not worth the money no matter the outcome. Secondly, I still take Brohm becuase while I believe ARod is the real deal, thats not 100% set in stone. By drafting Brohm, I increase my odds that if by chance, ARod does fall on his face, I still have another QB to work with and groom. Its called planning for worst case scenario.

[Patler]

well where are the Arod lovers then?... cuz we don't need Brohm if Arod is the real deal right?

If Arod is supposed the real deal, then ya... of course I want Williams instead of Brohm... but of course those Arod backers wont show their face and put their nuts on the line for that cause

oh and they'll probably give some excuse of...

"we need a very good backup QB" blah, blah, blah....

You always need a backup. As Wolf often mentioned, QBs are investments. You can draft them, use them and trade them, often for more than you paid to get them.

If Favre was the real deal, why did Wolf draft a QB almost every year? He traded Vince Workman, the starting HB, leading rusher and 4th leading receiver from the year before, and drafted Mark Brunnell with the pick he got for him. He also drafted Detmer, Barker, Wachholtz, McAda, Hasselbeck and Brooks. Many were drafted with compensatory picks, about the same as trading players for the picks used to draft the QBs, since the picks were available only because players were lost in free agency.

[Patler]

Last year, people complained and questioned TT's competence for keeping so many D-lineman. They questioned his sanity for having drafted a DT in the first round. When Williams was traded, all the others from 2007 were still on the roster, and everyone was healthy. If they had too many in 2007, what's wrong with trading one for a 2nd round pick?

Some are now complaining that TT has not done enough to rebuild/replenish the D-line. How many of those same people complained when he drafted a defensive tackle in the first round? After all, it was the Packers' area of surplus.

This year, some of those same people complained about the Jordy Nelson pick. Again the area of Packer surplus. I'm glad he's here, with as much as Martin and Jones have been out. Nelson has more receptions than Martin and Jones combined.

[SnakeLH2006]

8-0...and entertaining ho's...Good rhyme....better times.

[cpk1994]

well where are the Arod lovers then?... cuz we don't need Brohm if Arod is the real deal right?

If Arod is supposed the real deal, then ya... of course I want Williams instead of Brohm... but of course those Arod backers wont show their face and put their nuts on the line for that cause

oh and they'll probably give some excuse of...

"we need a very good backup QB" blah, blah, blah....

You always need a backup. As Wolf often mentioned, QBs are investments. You can draft them, use them and trade them, often for more than you paid to get them.

If Favre was the real deal, why did Wolf draft a QB almost every year? He traded Vince Workman, the starting HB, leading rusher and 4th leading receiver from the year before, and drafted Mark Brunnell with the pick he got for him. He also drafted Detmer, Barker, Wachholtz, McAda, Hasselbeck and Brooks. Many were drafted with compensatory picks, about the same as trading players for the picks used to draft the QBs, since the picks were available only because players were lost in free agency.

Excellent point. I forgot about Wolf's QB drafting. OF those 1/2 of those became starters somewhere. .500 isn't a bad average in that regard.