Tramon Williams

[3irty1]

I may be wrong, but normally dont teams use their faster/shiftier WR in the slot? Which is covered by the nickle? If so i deff would rather have T. Williams there.....

Yes, you tend to see waterbug type receivers in the slot. The slot is not necessarily covered by the nickle though. Usually Chuck moves inside for the Packers.

[The Shadow]

Tramon is coming along nicely.
Nose for the ball.

[rbaloha1]

I think Blackmon has a shot at being the other CB. He's got fantastic agility as is shown by his returns and very good speed as well. He's been hurt and missed a lot of time, but he's got that playmaking ability and I think with more time on the field at CB and if he can stay healthy, I like his chances at becoming a good CB and Woodson's eventual replacement.[/quote]

While Blackmon has great returner skills for whatever reason it fails to translate to the corner position.

Even in preseason Blackmon was consistently beat. Blackmon=Hester (remember Hester failed to perform as a corner)

TW is the real deal. Excellent speed and ball awareness. P.Lee has skills but plays tentative. Once the light bulb goes off, PL is the nickel.

[mraynrand]

I may be wrong, but normally dont teams use their faster/shiftier WR in the slot? Which is covered by the nickle? If so i deff would rather have T. Williams there.....

But could Williams shut down Darren Charles?

[mraynrand]

Williams is as good as Harris right now. He is quicker, plays the run just as well.

physically maybe so...but al has the experience and smarts so he's the better of the two...right now.

Well, McCain has more experience too. Doesn't seem to be doing much for him.

I can't evaluate exactly how good Al Harris is, but he never looked nearly as quick as Woodson to me. I'd like to see Harris as the nickle.

I don't want to see Harris on the field again, unless he is in man coverage - and with safety help for better receivers. I don't want to seen him 'lost in space' playing zone ever again. Nickel or dime, lined up in man against an outside receiver is Al Harris' future. By the time he is healthy, Williams will be all-around better.

[3irty1]

Williams is as good as Harris right now. He is quicker, plays the run just as well.

physically maybe so...but al has the experience and smarts so he's the better of the two...right now.

Well, McCain has more experience too. Doesn't seem to be doing much for him.

I can't evaluate exactly how good Al Harris is, but he never looked nearly as quick as Woodson to me. I'd like to see Harris as the nickle.

I don't want to see Harris on the field again, unless he is in man coverage - and with safety help for better receivers. I don't want to seen him 'lost in space' playing zone ever again. Nickel or dime, lined up in man against an outside receiver is Al Harris' future. By the time he is healthy, Williams will be all-around better.

I think Harris will be long out of the league before Tramon gets to his level of play but part of me also thinks that we've seen the end of Al's career or at least the beginning of the end.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think Harris will be long out of the league before Tramon gets to his level of play but part of me also thinks that we've seen the end of Al's career or at least the beginning of the end.

HAve you fogotten the NFC championship game? Harris relies so much on the physical play, when that doesn't work, he is dead meat.

I just don't see Harris as an outstanding corner, I wonder if he is even better than average.
Williams tackles just as well, and he has a little catch-up speed.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I may be wrong, but normally dont teams use their faster/shiftier WR in the slot? Which is covered by the nickle? If so i deff would rather have T. Williams there.....

But could Williams shut down Darren Charles?

Damn, I just about spit out my drink on that one!

That's a blast from the past there mray.

[Deputy Nutz]

We have part 1 of our two part problem solved. Pat Lee has looked like a rookie, but not completely horrible. Maybe he has a chance. Blackmon is horrible and if Williams is this good at a young age, we should expect better than awfull from Blackmon too. Bush is also horrible.

I'm hoping Lee pans out. The other two are junk. I still consider CB a high priority with OT and DL.

Blackmon split time in college as a receiver and cornerback. He is a great athlete but really doesn't have a position that truly fits him. With his injury situation his contribution to the defense is that of a rookie. I would give him a little more time before you throw the baby out with the bath water.

[3irty1]

I think Harris will be long out of the league before Tramon gets to his level of play but part of me also thinks that we've seen the end of Al's career or at least the beginning of the end.

HAve you fogotten the NFC championship game? Harris relies so much on the physical play, when that doesn't work, he is dead meat.

I just don't see Harris as an outstanding corner, I wonder if he is even better than average.
Williams tackles just as well, and he has a little catch-up speed.

Luckily the physical play has worked out pretty well for him. I don't think that one game makes him a liability. He still does a great job for us.

[Partial]

Al can't cover a big, talented #1. He struggles against guys like TO, Plax, etc. He's a great #2. Tramon looks like a great #3. Once we get healthy we'll have quite the back 7.

[Tony Oday]

Al can't cover a big, talented #1. He struggles against guys like TO, Plax, etc. He's a great #2. Tramon looks like a great #3. Once we get healthy we'll have quite the back 7.

I still think our coaching staff struggles there because they think Harris can take those guys one on one. There is not a corner in the NFL that can take an Elite WR the whole game without help...The WR only has to win that battle 7 times in a game to have a HUGE game where as the CB more than likely has to cover him for at least 40 passing plays.

[Gunakor]

Al can't cover a big, talented #1. He struggles against guys like TO, Plax, etc. He's a great #2. Tramon looks like a great #3. Once we get healthy we'll have quite the back 7.

What's the ect.? He's struggled against Plax and TO, but who else? He's shut down everyone else he's seen almost completely. QB's don't even throw at him. Aside from Plax and TO I can't think of a single guy in the last 3 years that has gotten the better of Al.

[Gunakor]

I still think our coaching staff struggles there because they think Harris can take those guys one on one. There is not a corner in the NFL that can take an Elite WR the whole game without help...The WR only has to win that battle 7 times in a game to have a HUGE game where as the CB more than likely has to cover him for at least 40 passing plays.

Roy Williams says Al can cover one on one just fine.

[3irty1]

Al can't cover a big, talented #1. He struggles against guys like TO, Plax, etc. He's a great #2. Tramon looks like a great #3. Once we get healthy we'll have quite the back 7.

I still think our coaching staff struggles there because they think Harris can take those guys one on one. There is not a corner in the NFL that can take an Elite WR the whole game without help...The WR only has to win that battle 7 times in a game to have a HUGE game where as the CB more than likely has to cover him for at least 40 passing plays.

True. Without help over the top our guys can not be as physical as they would like to be against the biggest and fastest guys out there. I'd be surprised if Al didn't continue to get assigned opponents #1 guys should he come back. Having three reliable corners will be awesome and should keep fresh legs on the field all the time.