TT Sniffing around Gonzalez??

[Patler]

It's all relative and he'll be worth different amounts to different teams.

KC may not be able to maximize what they can get right before the deadline with all of the teams knowing he requested a deal.

I am very, very surprised that GB's offer of a third was the highest offer. Gonzales could be a key element to the Giants return to the Super Bowl. If anyone would be willing to give a second, I would have expected it to be the Giants, a major contender in the Super Bowl run and a team who needs a TE.

[Patler]

Not getting screwed? How so? He doesn't go into this year's draft with an extra pick..unless he trades TG in the offseason. Do you really think teams are gonna pay more for him then.

Maybe they won't pay more, but they probably will not pay any less either, so KC will have lost nothing by waiting.

In the off-season, more teams might be willing to make offers, which could increase the price to a second, or at least garner a higher pick in the third, or even get a third and a lower round pick. There may be teams who are interested, but would have problems fitting him under the cap now, during the season, with veteran cap impacts fixed. Its a more free and open market in the off-season.

[wist43]

The Packers are so far away from being a contender that trading for veteran talent at this point would be windmill tilting.

The Packers lack blue chip talent... they have a ton of young guys, and will always have a ton of young guys as long as TT is GM... but that's the jig isn't it??? 37 draft picks every year... a red chip player here and there, and some decent depth type players, but no real impact guys.

Jennings is an impact guy, but one impact guy in 4 years, and a 32 year old TE aren't going to win you any championships.

Deal would have made absolutely no sense, as the Packers aren't going anywhere.

[pack4to84]

Looks like TT thought the trade was finalized. Chiefs GM changed his mind as time ran out trading deadline. So don't blame TT on this one. He had the deal done he thought.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=806795

The Green Bay Packers thought they had closed a deal for the Kansas City Chiefs' Tony Gonzalez just before the trading deadline, but according to the nine-time Pro Bowl selection Chiefs general manager Carl Peterson pulled out at the last second.

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/packers/309733

The Green Bay Packers thought they had a done deal to trade for nine-time Pro Bowl tight end Tony Gonzalez, only to have the rug pulled out from under them by the Kansas City Chiefs minutes before the trading deadline Tuesday when Chiefs general manager Carl Peterson raised the asking price.

[th87]

Looks like TT thought the trade was finalized. Chiefs GM changed his mind as time ran out trading deadline. So don't blame TT on this one. He had the deal done he thought.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=806795

The Green Bay Packers thought they had closed a deal for the Kansas City Chiefs' Tony Gonzalez just before the trading deadline, but according to the nine-time Pro Bowl selection Chiefs general manager Carl Peterson pulled out at the last second.

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/packers/309733

The Green Bay Packers thought they had a done deal to trade for nine-time Pro Bowl tight end Tony Gonzalez, only to have the rug pulled out from under them by the Kansas City Chiefs minutes before the trading deadline Tuesday when Chiefs general manager Carl Peterson raised the asking price.

Fuck Carl Peterson for ruining my day. Heard he sucks to deal with. Apparently he pulled the same stunt with Jared Allen.

[Bretsky]

Not getting screwed? How so? He doesn't go into this year's draft with an extra pick..unless he trades TG in the offseason. Do you really think teams are gonna pay more for him then.

Maybe they won't pay more, but they probably will not pay any less either, so KC will have lost nothing by waiting.

In the off-season, more teams might be willing to make offers, which could increase the price to a second, or at least garner a higher pick in the third, or even get a third and a lower round pick. There may be teams who are interested, but would have problems fitting him under the cap now, during the season, with veteran cap impacts fixed. Its a more free and open market in the off-season.

BINGO

[mraynrand]

It seems to me that teams are more likely to be desperate and willing to pay more during the season. I'm thinking about Holmgren picking up Branch for a #1, for example. Would be interesting to look at a collection of guys traded during the season and offseason to see if the 'cost' really differs.

[Patler]

It seems to me that teams are more likely to be desperate and willing to pay more during the season. I'm thinking about Holmgren picking up Branch for a #1, for example. Would be interesting to look at a collection of guys traded during the season and offseason to see if the 'cost' really differs.

The problem for some teams can be the salary cap. You can't just cut a veteran during the season to gain cap space. Their salaries are guaranteed now. There might (nothing is certain) be more teams interested in the off season when they can work an expensive player under their cap by dumping salaries. More competition for the player might jack up the price.

But I do agree, desperation can lead GMs to do dumb things under the pressure of a season.

My point was simply that KC might not be any worse of by waiting to trade Gonzales. Maybe they will be, too. We certainly can't say for sure right now.

[Fritz]

I'm fine either way but Gonzo is worth a 2nd and the KC GM made a good choice by not getting screwed

he's evidently not worth a #2, nobody was willing to pay it.

you can make a good argument that he is worth it, but the evaluators look at many factors. Draft picks are valuable because you sometimes get good players for little money during their first contract years.

Harlan, are you saying that Gonzalez isn't worth a shit???