BRETT DENIES REPORTS....

[arcilite]

This comment is a blatant lie this forum is 80% the real world is way more the other way you need to go to Green Bay

Actually, they had a poll throughout Wisconsin during the Favre saga in training camp, and I was surprised that the least amount of support Favre had was in the city of Green Bay.

There were tons of polls going on at the time. You can't really stat facts based on what a poll says. By living here and knowing what many think of the overall situation is more credible to me, than any poll will state. Most of the GB taxpayers look at the Packers in a different way than your average fan. They look at it from a money standpoint. They want people here so the 1/2% sales tax/renovation can be paid off quicker. They know Favre brought dollars to the organization. Sure, many are glad that he's gone, but on the other hand, you have your extremists that refuse to attend a game until TT is gone from the organization.

The facts speak for themselves, it has nothing to do if you are a fan of Favre or not. He brought people to GB. People bring $$$. This year, camp attendance was way down. Last year, you couldn't touch a ticket for less than $200, this year, it's about half that. Booking a hotel on a home game weekend the day before a game was unheard of until this year. The biggest selling jersey in GB at the Jersey Store is #4 Jet's jersey. Family Night didn't sell out until the day or two before, again, unheard of. blah blah blah, you get the point.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...820178/0/PKR04

...Insert Patler's post here....... and your argument is voided.

[GBRulz]

...Insert Patler's post here....... and your argument is voided.

Does the economy have something to do with it? Yes, it probably does, but didn't we have expensive gas last year, too? And funny how the article in the PG states this...

It appears Brett Favre separation anxiety has taken hold. The largest crowd of training camp showed up on the day Favre was expected to take the practice field. Instead, Favre was traded to the New York Jets, and fans have stayed away in droves.

Let me guess on your response, gas was 10 cents cheaper that day so my argument is invalid ?

[cheesner]

The local ESPN radio guys said they are not reporting the story because their sources believe it to be inaccurate

The "local radio guys" you refer to are Heller & Murphy, who are Favre loyalists and TT critics. They are in denial. They know nothing.

Bill Michaels from WTMJ 620am did something really strange for a microphone holder, he actually got off his fat ass and called some people, called sources, instead of just reading what is put in front of him he did his own reporting and basically came to the conclussion that Glazer's piece is totally blown out of proportion. There was a conversation between Favre and Millen but that it certainly wasn't 90 minutes long and it didn't have anything to do with game plans. The Packers were brought up in the conversation.

This doesn't refute Glaziers claims. The story is that Brett talked to Millen about hunting and then Millen turned the conversation over to the coaching staff when Brett talked for 60-90 minutes regarding the nuances of the Packer offense.

Glazier never said that Favre talked to Millen for 90 mins about the Packers.

[Patler]

...Insert Patler's post here....... and your argument is voided.

Does the economy have something to do with it? Yes, it probably does, but didn't we have expensive gas last year, too? And funny how the article in the PG states this...

It appears Brett Favre separation anxiety has taken hold. The largest crowd of training camp showed up on the day Favre was expected to take the practice field. Instead, Favre was traded to the New York Jets, and fans have stayed away in droves.

Let me guess on your response, gas was 10 cents cheaper that day so my argument is invalid ?

There is nothing surprising about that, considering all the hype associated with his expected appearance, the fact that many people thought they would get one last chance to see him in training camp after thinking he was gone and retired, etc. No one is disputing that Favre was the most popular Packer. But the current economic softness, which is being experienced league wide, has a lot more factors to it even in Green Bay than just Favre's departure.

[mraynrand]

This comment is a blatant lie this forum is 80% the real world is way more the other way you need to go to Green Bay

Actually, they had a poll throughout Wisconsin during the Favre saga in training camp, and I was surprised that the least amount of support Favre had was in the city of Green Bay.

There were tons of polls going on at the time. You can't really stat facts based on what a poll says. By living here and knowing what many think of the overall situation is more credible to me, than any poll will state. Most of the GB taxpayers look at the Packers in a different way than your average fan. They look at it from a money standpoint. They want people here so the 1/2% sales tax/renovation can be paid off quicker. They know Favre brought dollars to the organization. Sure, many are glad that he's gone, but on the other hand, you have your extremists that refuse to attend a game until TT is gone from the organization.

The facts speak for themselves, it has nothing to do if you are a fan of Favre or not. He brought people to GB. People bring $$$. This year, camp attendance was way down. Last year, you couldn't touch a ticket for less than $200, this year, it's about half that. Booking a hotel on a home game weekend the day before a game was unheard of until this year. The biggest selling jersey in GB at the Jersey Store is #4 Jet's jersey. Family Night didn't sell out until the day or two before, again, unheard of. blah blah blah, you get the point.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...820178/0/PKR04

There's a big difference between support for Favre and his draw. Even if a ton more people disliked him for his off season antics, he still would be a huge draw. He was (and still is) a hugely popular figure in the NFL. The controversies change the tone and opinion of people, but not their interest. His ability (or lack thereof as the case may be) to move the ball and score on the field will much more dramatically affect his draw than these quasi off-field controversies.

[MOBB DEEP]

I agree with Michaels that it was no big deal, competitively.

I believe Glazer that it happened.


At the end of the day, it's not some huge football story but it does tell a lot about Brett Favre, who he is. The crusaders who worship Favre will dismiss it. The rest of the normal population sees yet antoher stain of Favre, the persons reputation.

since u have that awesome avatar im sure u know the story of the prodigal son

we ALL stray from doing the right thing ("none is righteous. not one." "all have sinned and fall short of His glory")

its easy to bash others and neglect to overcome one's own shortcomings; its human nature. ive done worse things than moss, t.o., and favre combined. and i actually feel that the way i used to treat women (mentally and physically) is more deleterious to mankind than what VICK DA GREAT got pinched for. i pray without ceasing to be forgiven and if not for the grace of God...

point is we'er all fallable so i dont revere favre more than any other mere man. i was told by a member of my dissertation committe that i use "loaded words" alot. it carries over to my overall personality'; im hyped about alot of things so when i it comes to sports i smetimes engage in hyperbole. but at the end of the day these pro athletes are merely a small part of the big picture. i love the entertainment they provide but TRY HARD not to judge them (kinda hard with TO, even tho his antics arent worse than my shoving several of my ladies in college)

if this is true, i'll be very disappointed in favre. it would def be troubling to me. thats a terrible thing to do giving his legacy. SO vindictive/cruddy that it would certainly be a chink in his armor. just like the womanizn that he and i did in wisconsin in the 90'S - lol. btw, sterling sharpe was seeing this BAD white hottie at my undergraduate insitution. i mean HOT TO DEF! dayum

anyway, just for the record i havent engaged in hero worship since highschool - sweetness and bird (when i was a child i thought as a child but when i became a man, i put away childish things). btw, bird being a deadbeat dad was the impetus for my gaining the proper perspective

i think we can all agree that this would be a stain but that we can just admire the man's skills and leave it to His Maker to do the judging. same with this forum; posters dont REALLY know other posters so the character assasinations arent nice. name calln on a public forum? heartless sarcasm? no one here should have contempt for another no more than they should have for #4. i think its nuts for a Pack fan to have hatred for a our qb of a decade and a half

cant we all just get along...?? we're all apart of the packer fandom (a family) lets respect each other's opinions and have clean banter

ok, sermons over

[The Shadow]

...Insert Patler's post here....... and your argument is voided.

Does the economy have something to do with it? Yes, it probably does, but didn't we have expensive gas last year, too? And funny how the article in the PG states this...

It appears Brett Favre separation anxiety has taken hold. The largest crowd of training camp showed up on the day Favre was expected to take the practice field. Instead, Favre was traded to the New York Jets, and fans have stayed away in droves.

Let me guess on your response, gas was 10 cents cheaper that day so my argument is invalid ?

Personally, I'd rather have the Packers win a Super Bowl than participate in a single player-based cult mentality.
Wouldn't you?

[MJZiggy]

...Insert Patler's post here....... and your argument is voided.

Does the economy have something to do with it? Yes, it probably does, but didn't we have expensive gas last year, too? And funny how the article in the PG states this...

It appears Brett Favre separation anxiety has taken hold. The largest crowd of training camp showed up on the day Favre was expected to take the practice field. Instead, Favre was traded to the New York Jets, and fans have stayed away in droves.

Let me guess on your response, gas was 10 cents cheaper that day so my argument is invalid ?

There is nothing surprising about that, considering all the hype associated with his expected appearance, the fact that many people thought they would get one last chance to see him in training camp after thinking he was gone and retired, etc. No one is disputing that Favre was the most popular Packer. But the current economic softness, which is being experienced league wide, has a lot more factors to it even in Green Bay than just Favre's departure.

I spent a LOT of money in Green Bay this year (especially since I got that cheap flight, hotel and tickets). I had to buy a new bag (at the Pro Shop, of course) to haul it all home in and then I had to pay to check a bag because you can only carry on two. Bastards. (But now I have a nice, new knitting bag for the metro).

[cpk1994]

...Insert Patler's post here....... and your argument is voided.

Does the economy have something to do with it? Yes, it probably does, but didn't we have expensive gas last year, too? And funny how the article in the PG states this...

It appears Brett Favre separation anxiety has taken hold. The largest crowd of training camp showed up on the day Favre was expected to take the practice field. Instead, Favre was traded to the New York Jets, and fans have stayed away in droves.

Let me guess on your response, gas was 10 cents cheaper that day so my argument is invalid ?

But last year you didn't have people in a panic due to failing of morgage lenders and a stock market which collapsed, serverly denting peoples 401k's.

[Scott Campbell]

You do realize, don't you, that this is a problem all over the league this year, not just in Green Bay? No-shows are up, sales of team goods are down, sales of associated goods and services around the stadiums are down. Its the general state of the economy. People are worried and not as willing to spend on frivolous things. Gas prices are way up. To keep the costs of a game weekend down people are spending less in bars and restaurants. Fewer people are willing to go looking for tickets, so ticket resale prices are down.

Geez Patler, I'm surprised you can't follow along a little better. The economy is the dumps for 1 very good reason - Ted traded Brett to the Jets.

[Joemailman]

I wonder who Jay Glazer's source is? or if there's evidence.

Don't know who Glazer's source is, but I'm surprised at the details he gave Jim Rome. Did Millen talk, or was it one of the coaches on the phone?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/10/20/reporter-stands-by-favre-lions-story-quot-1-000-quot.aspx

[Scott Campbell]

Geez, that's pretty damning. Especially the part about what his Jets teammates are saying about it. They're as tired of his jilted lover syndrome as we are.

[SnakeLH2006]

[quote="cpk1994"][quote="GBRulz"]

...Insert Patler's post here....... and your argument is voided.

Does the economy have something to do with it? Yes, it probably does, but didn't we have expensive gas last year, too? And funny how the article in the PG states this...

[i]It appears Brett Favre separation anxiety has taken hold. [u][b]The largest crowd of training camp showed up on the day Favre was expected to take the practice field. Instead, Favre was traded to the New York Jets, and fans have stayed away in droves.

Let me guess on your response, gas was 10 cents cheaper that day so my argument is invalid ? But last year you didn't have people in a panic due to failing of morgage lenders and a stock market which collapsed, serverly denting peoples 401k's.

Damn CPK, you're mom just called me and said you made her write this because you wouldn't go to bed. Go to bed little guy! We are both doing our best for ya. School's tomorrow!

As far as the "allegation" of this all with Brett. If true, I've been HUGE Favre supporter throughout the PR civil war this offseason, but will officially jump off his bandwagon as this does seem feasible, if proven true.

Brett's word "It's B.S." doesn't carry as much clout as it used to obviously these days. Is he bitter. Yes. Would I bury my former employment (if in my mind they fucked me over major as Brett implies they did), probably YES. Does this surprise me that this is a HUGE story? NO (any Brett story gives major dollars to whomever breaks the story). Do I believe it? Possibly (as he's shown he's pretty bitter and where there's smoke there's fire). Will I let this story damn Brett to hell? No (unless some source steps up on video to validate it).

Snake's Take:

It seems pretty damn shitty. IF THIS IS TRUE.....I'm VERY disappointed in Brett. If not (there's no way 1000 journalists and GM's can just say it didn't happen as it will always be an asterisk) it still sucks for GB and Brett. Pretty shitty indeed and sad as I'm seeing a chance Brett goes into the HOF as Jet as a distinct possibility now. Pretty dirty stuff indeed.

[SnakeLH2006]

...Insert Patler's post here....... and your argument is voided.

Does the economy have something to do with it? Yes, it probably does, but didn't we have expensive gas last year, too? And funny how the article in the PG states this...

It appears Brett Favre separation anxiety has taken hold. The largest crowd of training camp showed up on the day Favre was expected to take the practice field. Instead, Favre was traded to the New York Jets, and fans have stayed away in droves.

Let me guess on your response, gas was 10 cents cheaper that day so my argument is invalid ?

But last year you didn't have people in a panic due to failing of morgage lenders and a stock market which collapsed, serverly denting peoples 401k's.

Damn CPK, you're mom just called me and said you made her write this because you wouldn't go to bed. Go to bed little guy! We are both doing our best for ya. School's tomorrow! Laughing

As far as the "allegation" of this all with Brett. If true, I've been HUGE Favre supporter throughout the PR civil war this offseason, but will officially jump off his bandwagon as this does seem feasible, if proven true.

Brett's word "It's B.S." doesn't carry as much clout as it used to obviously these days. Is he bitter. Yes. Would I bury my former employment (if in my mind they fucked me over major as Brett implies they did), probably YES. Does this surprise me that this is a HUGE story? NO (any Brett story gives major dollars to whomever breaks the story). Do I believe it? Possibly (as he's shown he's pretty bitter and where there's smoke there's fire). Will I let this story damn Brett to hell? No (unless some source steps up on video to validate it).

Snake's Take:

It seems pretty damn shitty. IF THIS IS TRUE.....I'm VERY disappointed in Brett. If not (there's no way 1000 journalists and GM's can just say it didn't happen as it will always be an asterisk) it still sucks for GB and Brett. Pretty shitty indeed and sad as I'm seeing a chance Brett goes into the HOF as Jet as a distinct possibility now. Pretty dirty stuff indeed.

[bobblehead]

Punctuation is good. As are line breaks. Makes your rant easier to read.

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