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    Pro Football Talk

    FAVRE ADMITS TO STRATEGY SESSION WITH MILLEN
    Posted by Mike Florio on October 22, 2008, 11:50 a.m.

    As it turns out, Brett Favre’s position that the report he talked to the Lions before their Week Two game against the Packers is “total B.S.” is, well, total B.S.

    OK, maybe not total B.S. But B.S. nonetheless.

    In press conference remarks that likely sounded a lot more innocuous to Brett as he was saying the words than they’ll appear when reduced to writing, Favre admits to talking with Lions CEO Matt Millen prior to the game.

    And Favre admits that Millen asked him about the things the Packers have done in the past when playing the Lions.

    And Favre admits that he responded to Millen’s question.

    And Favre admits that he assumed others were in the room listening while he spoke to Millen.

    That said, Favre took strong positions on some of the key points. He emphasized, for example, that he didn’t have a “game plan” in his lap when talking to Millen. Well, no one ever said that he did. The report from FOX’s Jay Glazer was/is that Favre spent time talking to the Lions in an effort to help the Lions prepare to play Favre’s former team.

    Favre also stressed that this happens all the time, pointing to communications with former Arizona defensive end Calvin Pace as his new team, the Jets, prepared to play his old team, the Cardinals.

    But Favre overlooked the main point here. He doesn’t play for the Lions. And so while it’s fair game for former coaches and players to help their new teams get ready to play their old teams, the notion that Favre said anything other than “Matt, I’m really not comfortable with this, since the Packers paid me damn good money for 16 years and they’re eventually gonna retire my jersey and they still have a $30 million marketing deal on the table” is troubling to us, and it should be very troubling to every Packers fan.

    Favre confirmed that the conversation was the result of efforts by Millen to get in touch with the Jets quarterback to invite him to go hunting on Matt’s property, which is roughly an hour from Favre’s new place of employment. (Favre also said that Millen pointed out that he has bulldozers and tractors, in the event Favre needs to relieve some tension. Maybe we need to drive a bulldozer or a tractor to appreciate the medicinal value of such endeavors, but we’ve yet to see a construction worker who seems mellow.)

    Coincidentally, the duo finally got connected in the days preceding the game between the Packers and the Lions.

    Favre tried to downplay the import of his comments to Millen by suggesting that Favre didn’t remember much about what the Packers did when playing the Lions last year (but, naturally, Favre remembers vividly that he completed 22 straight passes), and by noting that he hasn’t been in the Packers’ offense for more than a year.

    But here’s the truth. Favre was a member of the organization for more than a decade and a half. Though Mike McCarthy had been the head coach for only the last two years of Favre’s career there, the offense is the same.

    And Brett hasn’t been out of the offense for more than a year; he last played as a Packer less than nine months ago.

    Have tweaks been made since Aaron Rodgers became the quarterback? Sure. Are the Packers still doing a lot of the stuff that they did when Favre was the quarterback? Absolutely.

    The question from Millen surely wasn’t confined, as Brett claims, to what the Packers have done in the past against the Lions. The question undoubtedly was aimed at finding out what the Packers do generally.

    As Brett observed out, the Lions can watch film in an effort to decipher strategies and tendencies. But why spend all that time searching for something you might never find when the guy who was the quarterback of the team every single game for 16 straight seasons is willing to spill his guts?

    Favre also claims that the conversation was shorter than reported. He says that he talked with Millen (and whoever was in the room listening) for 15-to-20 minutes. Favre also claims that half the time was spent talking about hunting and other non-football things (perhaps like throwing a dead turkey in a teammate’s locker), and that the rest of the time was spent talking football.

    But if Favre is telling the truth about the duration of the call, Favre could have passed along plenty of useful nuggets in only 7-to-10 minutes of time.

    Bottom line? Favre’s initial comments to Peter King indicate strongly that no communications of any kind occurred. It’s ”total B.S.,” he said, “not true and pretty ridiculous. I’m telling you it’s not true. What the hell is [FOX’s] problem?”

    Now, Favre is singing a far different tune as he tries to strike a balance between conceding portions of the story without (as King suggested) “irrevocably tarnish[ing]” his reputation in Wisconsin.

    If anything, Favre’s words prove to us that Glazer was right. And given that Favre initially tried to call the entire story “B.S.”, we choose to conclude that any portion of his dramatically revised version that conflicts with Glazer’s story is B.S., too.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

  • #2
    Sheezus

    Just shoot me.

    I've entered the "Favre overload and I don't give a shit any more" zone.

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    • #3
      Its America's Newest Hit Soap Opera. It should be on Univision.
      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by KYPack
        Sheezus

        Just shoot me.

        I've entered the "Favre overload and I don't give a shit any more" zone.
        I hear you KY. I can't get worked up over this crap anymore either. It's lame and pathetic, but I'm sure I have forgotten about it in a decade or so.

        Originally posted by pbmax
        Its America's Newest Hit Soap Opera. It should be on Univision.
        Bretty el Feo?

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        • #5
          DAYUM.....
          They said God has a Tim Tebow complex!

          Brew Crew in 2011!!!

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          • #6
            this is florio trying to stir shit

            he does this every now and then. he latches on to something, and tries to turn it into the most imortant thing in the world

            he's just trying to get packer fans all riled up, and he's always hated favre

            so what if brett did talk? what could the lions learn from the guy who use to be our qb?

            he didn't know the game plan for the lions

            he couldn't have told them anything that they couldn't already learn on espn nfl coutdown

            we've been using the same system for a decade and a half. most people should know what we run

            in fact, many teams run the same system and even use the same terms

            many former packer coaches have gone on to coach around the nfl, and can spread all the info in the world. including the former head coach of the lions

            so while it was a dickish thing for brett to do, i don't see what the massive huge deal is. the lions were not helped out at all by anything he told them

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            • #7
              you know who favre really fucked over? all the people here who have been sticking up for him through this latest saga. way to take a big shit on all your loyal fans
              Busting drunk drivers in Antarctica since 2006

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              • #8
                Dumb move by Favre. Lost a lot of respect.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by red
                  this is florio trying to stir shit

                  ...................

                  so while it was a dickish thing for brett to do, i don't see what the massive huge deal is. the lions were not helped out at all by anything he told them
                  You're right that this isn't a big deal in the long run, red, but you can't throw the blame for this controversy at Florio's feet. Every football news agency reported on this story (save ESPN) with Fox leading the way. Favre acting like an asshole to his old team will always get play, even if the results aren't significant.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by red
                    he didn't know the game plan for the lions

                    he couldn't have told them anything that they couldn't already learn on espn nfl coutdown

                    we've been using the same system for a decade and a half. most people should know what we run

                    in fact, many teams run the same system and even use the same terms

                    many former packer coaches have gone on to coach around the nfl, and can spread all the info in the world. including the former head coach of the lions.
                    This is the Belicheck defense. "OK, so he did it and it was probably wrong. But its not a big deal. In fact, its just a notch more effective than a superstition."

                    But the facts of the call speak for themselves. Millen thought enough of the info to invite coaches to hear Favre speak. Coaches, who do not have much free time during the week, thought enough about it to listen in on the call. It must have had some value to these people, who have all spent decades in this business. It also likely they know more than Merrill Hoge and Sal Pal.

                    It clearly wasn't enough of an edge, but that doesn't make it right.
                    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Favre Admits to Talk With Millen: With Qualifications

                      Originally posted by pbmax
                      Favre also stressed that this happens all the time, pointing to communications with former Arizona defensive end Calvin Pace as his new team, the Jets, prepared to play his old team, the Cardinals.
                      happens all the time?

                      Favre neglects to mention that he is not a member of the Lions team. Like Calvin Pace is a member of the Jets.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pbmax
                        But the facts of the call speak for themselves. Millen thought enough of the info to invite coaches to hear Favre speak. Coaches, who do not have much free time during the week, thought enough about it to listen in on the call.
                        ya, I agree with this.

                        On the other hand, I really doubt Favre said anything specific or significant.

                        Favre was an idiot and ass, bad judgement, But it was small potatos, he wasn't working the phones, looking to screw over the packers.

                        Guess I'm taking a middle ground, like Leoroy Butler.

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                        • #13
                          In hindsight, if only Favre had stayed retired last March, none of this two-headed soap opera would have happened. By "Two-headed" I mean the 1. retirement-unretirement-trade debacle and 2. this episode of talking to the Lions.

                          The outstanding legacy of this fine Green Bay Packer legendary player is slowing being chipped away day by day...

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                          • #14
                            So I wonder who else he's been talking to.

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                            • #15
                              What ever happend to that concrete denial that 007 showed us from teh Lions and Favre's, "it's total BS" text that the crusaders were so quick to site as fact. Favre is a liar. His word is no good. I hope we have that established and ESPN is a complete sham of an organization for trying to cover thsi up for their main offseason squeeze.



                              When we weave a basket of lies. . . . Well, Brett can tell you.



                              I don't feel much differently about him. He's still a human being, being human and really, it's not that bad but for all of those worshippers who insist he can do no wrong, take a look at this. He stabbed his former teammates in teh back to get revenge on one guy. That is where Brett Favre's head is at. He's a spoiled rotton famous athlete that will shit on everyone without blinking if it helps him out. This is what happens when we resist the urge to let the good things go to our head.
                              Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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