Is Bush on his way out? (The Packer, not the Prez)

[Fritz]

What I meant was not that there had to be somebody to take over and make Bush inactive on game days - I was thinking of him losing his roster spot altogether. That would mean a free agent, someone from someone else's practice squad, or someone from the Packers' practice squad.

Here's where I wish we still had that Joey Haynos dude on the p.s.

Duct tape Finley's mouth and activate Haynos.

[Patler]

What I meant was not that there had to be somebody to take over and make Bush inactive on game days - I was thinking of him losing his roster spot altogether. That would mean a free agent, someone from someone else's practice squad, or someone from the Packers' practice squad.

Here's where I wish we still had that Joey Haynos dude on the p.s.

Duct tape Finley's mouth and activate Haynos.

That's what I meant too, and why I mentioned Swain. Currently on the practice squad, but maybe a guy they want to look at.

[SkinBasket]

Bush is the guy that got the hand on the punt. The special teams unit hasn't forced turnovers this year, and Bush is imo the best at doing so. Keep him around.

So he's the best at not creating turnovers? The guy hasn't even been getting into positions to make tackles. Time to trim the bush.

[mraynrand]

Bush is the guy that got the hand on the punt. The special teams unit hasn't forced turnovers this year, and Bush is imo the best at doing so. Keep him around.

So he's the best at not creating turnovers? The guy hasn't even been getting into positions to make tackles. Time to trim the bush.

He doesn't have to make the tackle to be effective on teams. The guy is pretty dominant as a gunner, and disrupts punt returns all the time. I could see him becoming expendable if other factors (injuries elsewhere) create a numbers problem.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't know why this worn out discussion came up again--maybe because KGB was finally let go. Bush is different, though, because he makes extremely much less money, and as has been said, his special teams contribution.

It's a toss up as to which Bush gets the most unwarranted disrespect.

There are a lot of worse corners playing, maybe even starting around the NFL--you don't have to be near as good to get by in other defensive schemes. Bush can play either corner or safety good enough to get by in a pinch.

Sooner or later, he will probably move on--and surprise a lot of his detractors around here by being successful in some scheme putting less pressure on corners for man coverage.

[HarveyWallbangers]

On why Jarrett Bush wasn't out there for the final field goal after tipping the first: Charles Woodson took his spot. Bush was waved off. "That's the decision we made."

I doubt Chuck replaces him full-time. Sounds like a decision that was made to get one of their best players on the field for a crucial play. Did they think the Titans would fake it? I don't like the decision. Bush had disrupted the previous kick.

[Patler]

I don't know why this worn out discussion came up again--maybe because KGB was finally let go. Bush is different, though, because he makes extremely much less money, and as has been said, his special teams contribution.

I started this, and it had nothing to do with KGB. An early version of an on-line article said that Bush did not play as much on ST as he normally does, even on the ones that he always has played on until now. There were no reports of any injuries to Bush, so I found that odd.

Now the articles simply say he was taken off the field goal defense team for the overtime. If the earlier article had said that, I would not have started this thread. Earlier it implied more absences on his part, which to me was interesting and perhaps foretelling of the GM's thoughts. Ten DBs is more than necessary, and I thought perhaps they had seen progress in Lee or something.

Turns out it is probably irrelevant.

[texaspackerbacker]

I saw him on punt returns and the field goal defense team, and I think he was in there on kick offs. I noticed T. Williams in Bush's gunner spot on punts--probably the result of Al Harris coming back.

I'm having a hard time thinking of 10 DBs. Are you sure? Woodson, Harris, Bigby, Collins, Rouse, Williams, Lee, Bush, and Peprah, that's nine. Who if anybody did I miss?

Of those nine, I'd sooner see Peprah gone. He played noticeably bad a couple of games back when he was forced to play by injuries, and I don't think he's capable of playing corner or safety like Bush.

[MJZiggy]

I would think, though that had Bush fallen out of favor, that he'd have been released to make room for Harrell rather than KGB.

[KYPack]

I saw him on punt returns and the field goal defense team, and I think he was in there on kick offs. I noticed T. Williams in Bush's gunner spot on punts--probably the result of Al Harris coming back.

I'm having a hard time thinking of 10 DBs. Are you sure? Woodson, Harris, Bigby, Collins, Rouse, Williams, Lee, Bush, and Peprah, that's nine. Who if anybody did I miss?

Of those nine, I'd sooner see Peprah gone. He played noticeably bad a couple of games back when he was forced to play by injuries, and I don't think he's capable of playing corner or safety like Bush.

LCB 21 Charles Woodson 27 Will Blackmon 22 Pat Lee*
RCB 31 Al Harris 38 Tramon Williams 24 Jarrett Bush
SS 20 Atari Bigby 37 Aaron Rouse
FS 36 Nick Collins 26 Charlie Peprah

* Rookie

Will Blackmon, Tex.
For now, he ain't much of a corner. Great return man, tho.

We'll see if Lionel Washington and the much-maligned Shotty can get him up to speed. I like Bush, too.

Peprah is my bubble guy.

With all the injuries, I doubt anybody gets cut this season

[HarveyWallbangers]

Special teams coach Mike Stock still isn’t sure if Jarrett Bush partially blocked the fourth-quarter field goal attempt by Titans kicker Rob Bironas, but Stock did provide an answer for why Bush wasn’t on the field when Bironas kicked the game winner in overtime.

“No. 21 (Charles Woodson) stayed on the field and rather than go out there and have an argument because the clock was ticking, 21 said he’s going to stay and go try to get it because he’s been a field-goal blocker in the past,” Stock said. “So he just said he would take his rep.”

When asked if Woodson has that authority, Stock said: “Well what are you going to do? The clock’s running. You can’t go out there and argue.”

However, there was time to get Bush onto the field if the Packers wanted to because McCarthy called a timeout in an effort to ice Bironas.

“He wanted to stay and do the job,” Stock said of Woodson.

Stock said it was too hard to tell on the film if Bush got a piece of the fourth-quarter kick that Bironas missed. Bush said after the game that he thought he tipped it.

At the time, the ball sure did look funny coming out. I initially thought he got a hand on it. Anybody tivo the game, so they can verify this?

[mraynrand]

Special teams coach Mike Stock still isn’t sure if Jarrett Bush partially blocked the fourth-quarter field goal attempt by Titans kicker Rob Bironas, but Stock did provide an answer for why Bush wasn’t on the field when Bironas kicked the game winner in overtime.

“No. 21 (Charles Woodson) stayed on the field and rather than go out there and have an argument because the clock was ticking, 21 said he’s going to stay and go try to get it because he’s been a field-goal blocker in the past,” Stock said. “So he just said he would take his rep.”

When asked if Woodson has that authority, Stock said: “Well what are you going to do? The clock’s running. You can’t go out there and argue.”

However, there was time to get Bush onto the field if the Packers wanted to because McCarthy called a timeout in an effort to ice Bironas.

“He wanted to stay and do the job,” Stock said of Woodson.

Stock said it was too hard to tell on the film if Bush got a piece of the fourth-quarter kick that Bironas missed. Bush said after the game that he thought he tipped it.

At the time, the ball sure did look funny coming out. I initially thought he got a hand on it. Anybody tivo the game, so they can verify this?

Really hard to tell. The ball and Bush's hand are in the same place at the same time it seems, and Bush was jumping up and down going to the sidelines. Here's the deal - the ball misses to the right, so Bush would have had to get the bottom of the ball, since he was coming in from the right. It coulda happened.

[Patler]

Praise the Lord, I haven't lost my mind!!

I knew I read it somewhere. From Bedard's blog:

"Speaking of Bush, he's seeing less and less playing time: he's wasn't on a few special teams he normally is."

[mraynrand]

Praise the Lord, I haven't lost my mind!!

I knew I read it somewhere. From Bedard's blog:

"Speaking of Bush, he's seeing less and less playing time: he's wasn't on a few special teams he normally is."

yeah, but was Bedard just referring to the same Woodson incident?

[Patler]

Praise the Lord, I haven't lost my mind!!

I knew I read it somewhere. From Bedard's blog:

"Speaking of Bush, he's seeing less and less playing time: he's wasn't on a few special teams he normally is."

yeah, but was Bedard just referring to the same Woodson incident?

One would hope not. "seeing less and less playing time" implies ongoing changes, not just a single play. It implies something that he has witnessed over time, and that has progressively changed.

Not on "a few special teams" certainly implies more than one unit and/or more than just one play.

I will be very disappointed if he is that loose and inaccurate with the words and phrases he chooses for his articles. It is very misleading if all he is aware of is the one play.