Boy OH Boy

[Pacopete4]

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20081105/PKR01/81105193/1058

Notebook: It's hard for Jones to get back in the lineup
By Rob Demovsky • rdemovsk@greenbaypressgazette.com • November 5, 2008

James Jones is healthy — as are all of the Green Bay Packers’ receivers — but that doesn’t mean the return of the “Big Five” package is coming anytime soon.Jones, who opened training camp as the Packers’ No. 3 receiver, was a healthy scratch for last Sunday’s game at Tennessee and might have trouble getting on the field this Sunday at Minnesota.

When Jones returned from the bye week healed from the knee injury that kept him out four of the first seven games, many presumed that coach Mike McCarthy would finally employ the five-receiver package that was so successful last season.

Instead, Jones was inactive against the Titans, meaning the Packers benched him in favor of rookie Jordy Nelson and journeyman Ruvell Martin.

The Packers have not activated all five of their receivers for any game this season. Only 45 of the 53-players on the roster are allowed to play and decisions on inactives typically come down to who can play on special teams. Jones has never played special teams.

“It’s going to be a challenge (to keep five receivers active),” McCarthy said Wednesday. “It’s disappointing for some individuals when they are not up on Sunday I’m sure, but you can’t stand up there as a head coach and talk about the philosophy of your football team starts with defense and special teams and then come Sunday make all of your decisions on throwing the football for offense.”

Jones said Wednesday that he has not been told he’s on any of the special teams units this week.

“So obviously I’m not playing this week,” Jones said.




A- our 5 wide set was the only thing good last season
B- he's gonna lose Jones soon if he doesnt see action
C- we are fuckin 4-4 with the way we are playing, 13-3 last season with the way that team played... only one member is gone..... why change so radically?.... stupid

[Fritz]

To me, this should not be a decision about Jones vs. the other four receivers. This ought to be seen as Jones vs. Jerkmichael Finley. And as bad as Finley seems to have been on special teams, I'm not sure why MM doesn't de-activate Finley this week and replace him with Jones. Is Jones that bad on special teams?

[Bretsky]

The 13-3 comparison to 4-4 this year is Bush League

MANY more differences than one player gone

New QB
Corey Williams gone for season
Cullen Jenkins gone for season
Al Harris missed significant playing time already

Last year our offense, and Favre, played like horsecrap against Phily and we squeaked one out we didn't deserve. Breaks went our way last year.
The Chargers had some major injuries when we played them last year; the Giants as well.

Has not happened this year

We have a new team this year; get over the 13-3 comparisons.

[cpk1994]

The 13-3 comparison to 4-4 this year is Bush League

MANY more differences than one player gone

New QB
Corey Williams gone for season
Cullen Jenkins gone for season
Al Harris missed significant playing time already

Last year our offense, and Favre, played like horsecrap against Phily and we squeaked one out we didn't deserve. Breaks went our way last year.
The Chargers had some major injuries when we played them last year; the Giants as well.

Has not happened this year

We have a new team this year; get over the 13-3 comparisons.

I don't make this a habit, but I agree with you.

Ill even mention more differences:

Jones has been injured
KGB basically was invisible and now cut
AJ Hawk has been injured most of the season

It is truly asinine to compare teams. But seeing who the OP was Im not suprisedit was done AGAIN. Even though this same poster bitched and moaned about others comparing the two.

[KYPack]

To me, this should not be a decision about Jones vs. the other four receivers. This ought to be seen as Jones vs. Jerkmichael Finley. And as bad as Finley seems to have been on special teams, I'm not sure why MM doesn't de-activate Finley this week and replace him with Jones. Is Jones that bad on special teams?

I don't think Jones plays any ST. MM and staff really focus on having all live players on ST, so if you don't have any ST role, it helps to get you de-activated.

Has anyone seen a depth chart with all the ST roles defined? I like to know who all the positions on the kicking teams are manned by. I saw them somewhere on an old site, but never have run across ST depth charts again.

[Partial]

I don't understand why they keep loading up talent at WR if they don't intend to play them.

[prsnfoto]

I don't understand why they keep loading up talent at WR if they don't intend to play them.

Exactly, perhaps they could trade him for a O-lineman that doesn't suck, D-Lineman that doesn't get hurt, or a LB that isn't a huge vagina that can't tackle. Just a thought.

[Fritz]

To me, this should not be a decision about Jones vs. the other four receivers. This ought to be seen as Jones vs. Jerkmichael Finley. And as bad as Finley seems to have been on special teams, I'm not sure why MM doesn't de-activate Finley this week and replace him with Jones. Is Jones that bad on special teams?

I don't think Jones plays any ST. MM and staff really focus on having all live players on ST, so if you don't have any ST role, it helps to get you de-activated.

Has anyone seen a depth chart with all the ST roles defined? I like to know who all the positions on the kicking teams are manned by. I saw them somewhere on an old site, but never have run across ST depth charts again.

The JSO article has a quote from Jones in which he says he's volunteered to play special teams. If the Pack can pick up a guy off the heap and plug him in on ST, why can't they plug Jones in the same way?

[mraynrand]

It seems to me that Rodgers hasn't fared all that well in the 5 receiver empty backfield set. Perhaps that is another reason not to activate Butterfingers Jones.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I want to see if Finley can make some strides, I like that he is getting a chance. HE was a damn good reciever in college. I expect he will learn from his mistakes.

[mraynrand]

I want to see if Finley can make some strides, I like that he is getting a chance. HE was a damn good reciever in college.

He is very good at striding. Running the correct route and catching: not so good. I can empathize. I can run very fast, but estimating the path of the frisbee, finding the frisbee, and leaping to grab it in the air are difficult for me. Jack Russel Terriers are better at that.

[sharpe1027]

I don't understand why they keep loading up talent at WR if they don't intend to play them.

I don't see the problem.

They drafted a WR in Nelson that was an improvement over what they had on the roster. Jones was an improvement over what they had a year ago. Jennings an improvement over what htey had two years ago. Murphy an improvement (except for the injury) over what they had three years ago.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I want to see if Finley can make some strides, I like that he is getting a chance. HE was a damn good reciever in college.

He is very good at striding. Running the correct route and catching: not so good. I can empathize. I can run very fast, but estimating the path of the frisbee, finding the frisbee, and leaping to grab it in the air are difficult for me. Jack Russel Terriers are better at that.

Gotta say mraynrand, the dog posts are funny.

[bobblehead]

Re: Boy OH Boy

A- our 5 wide set was the only thing good last season
B- he's gonna lose Jones soon if he doesnt see action
C- we are fuckin 4-4 with the way we are playing, 13-3 last season with the way that team played... only one member is gone..... why change so radically?.... stupid

Everything I said to JH about getting over favre...apply to yourself. This is simply inflamatory BS that isn't even worth refuting anymore.

The biggest difference between JH and yourself is that his posts not involving BF are usually pretty solid.

[red]

they got to get him in there. the guys got talent, and the 5 wr set is more important then that 11th guy on special teams

what a waste

and fritz is right, this shouldn't be him vs nelson and ruvell. those are both good players that also need to be on the roster