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**PackerPro42** · 06-29-2006, 10:24 AM

I saw that on sportscenter and the bastards had us ranked low for everything. God we're not that bad. Our team has actually improved from last ea. Thos guys just don't know what they're talking about.

**Deputy Nutz** · 06-29-2006, 10:24 AM

I noticed that as well, and it certainly pissed me off. All the national media sees in Green Bay is the Packers 4-12 record from last season. Once again, Espn trots out their vast football knowledge with the likes of Mike Golic, "Stink", and Sassyberry. It is sad when Sassyberry is the smartest fella on the set.

The Packers added two new starters to the secondary, AJ Hawk, and Ryan Pickett. Pickett will hopefully add a little bit to the pass rush from the middle, but still, you add Woody, Manuel, and AJ Hawk you are not the 26th ranked pass defense, especially when you were in the top 15 last year without those guys.

At least Baltimore and Seattle were in the top 5. How the fuck is Seattle in the top 5? What a joke.

**Rastak** · 06-29-2006, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Nutz

I noticed that as well, and it certainly pissed me off. All the national media sees in Green Bay is the Packers 4-12 record from last season. Once again, Espn trots out their vast football knowledge with the likes of Mike Golic, "Stink", and Sassyberry. It is sad when Sassyberry is the smartest fella on the set.

The Packers added two new starters to the secondary, AJ Hawk, and Ryan Pickett. Pickett will hopefully add a little bit to the pass rush from the middle, but still, you add Woody, Manuel, and AJ Hawk you are not the 26th ranked pass defense, especially when you were in the top 15 last year without those guys.

At least Baltimore and Seattle were in the top 5. How the fuck is Seattle in the top 5? What a joke.

I don't know how Seattle got that high, they lost their backup saftey after all.

Just kidding...actually, I'd rank GB higher than that. Woodson is kind of a question mark though and it seems Harris is PO'd. Manual was playing last year because the starter got hurt. And GB needs to get a decent pass rush to really help their secondary..perhaps they don't think they'll come through.

**jack's smirking revenge** · 06-29-2006, 10:30 AM

Well, all I've got to say is that our D has a lot of new faces (on the field and on the bench) and a lot to prove. Manuel, Pickett and Woodson have to show that they're even starting material. They were all either backups or injured players on their former teams. And they're starters on our team. I'm excited about the potential, but it's way too early to get excited about our starting team. We technically don't have one yet.

Hate to be the anti-homer, but we won't know how good this defense is until the pads are on in preseason. The rankings are worthless, but, come on people, do you really think the media is going to step up and have confidence in a defense that helped a team go 4-12?

We will be underdogs until we can prove otherwise.

tyler

**PackerPro42** · 06-29-2006, 10:31 AM

I think that they should consider moving Carrol to saftey, that way he can use he speed for good. He can also be a little more agressive because it seems like all the good safteys are today.

**Rastak** · 06-29-2006, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by wausaupackerpro42

I think that they should consider moving Carrol to saftey, that way he can use he speed for good. He can also be a little more agressive because it seems like all the good safteys are today.

Actually, I think Carroll will be a very solid nickel back. I haven't liked the guy since the day they drafted him (as a player) but he was improving last year and he will be a pretty solid 3rd corner.

Not sure how he'd do at safety...that might work.

**Pack0514** · 06-29-2006, 10:34 AM

Agreed Jack, no offense Rastak but the Vikings have signed some good players the past couple of years and it hasnt materialized into anything yet. This year may be different but the only point I am trying to make is that just because we signed some people doesnt mean they will play well together.

Go ahead throw the tomatoes.

Anyways, it will be more fun to be the underdog and piss on others parades when they arent ready.

**Deputy Nutz** · 06-29-2006, 10:35 AM

Carroll isn't physical enough to play safety, and beside that position is a little crowded at this point.

Another thing, Carroll is just too small to play safety. He will impress as a nickel back where he can use his speed to match up with the small recievers in the slot.

**wist43** · 06-29-2006, 10:35 AM

I understand that you guys aren't happy about the lack of respect for our team, but the fact is that the Packers are, in fact, one of the worst teams in the league... Sorry, but that's reality.

Yes, I think the team is slightly improved over last years mess, but they have a long way to go to be a decent team. Favre coming back and a relatively easy schedule gives them a chance to get close to .500, but it's going to be a long haul for them to get back to respectability.

Bottom line is the Packers simply aren't a very good football team.

**BallHawk** · 06-29-2006, 10:53 AM

The only person who sort of believes in the Packers is Chris Mortenson. I remember him on draft day saying that they could either go 5-11, 6-10, or make it into the playoffs.

**Chester Marcol** · 06-29-2006, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by wist43

I understand that you guys aren't happy about the lack of respect for our team, but the fact is that the Packers are, in fact, one of the worst teams in the league... Sorry, but that's reality.

Yes, I think the team is slightly improved over last years mess, but they have a long way to go to be a decent team. Favre coming back and a relatively easy schedule gives them a chance to get close to .500, but it's going to be a long haul for them to get back to respectability.

Bottom line is the Packers simply aren't a very good football team.

Agreed. It wasn't that long ago that the consensus was, we are the defending NFC North Champions until one of the other teams proves otherwise. Well, now we are on the opposite end of that spectrum and we are what we are with more unknowns than knowns. Until Favre is slinging more td's than int's and the defense is consistently controlling other teams, those rankings are our place in the NFL. I like this position because I believe we will surprise a team or two. Hopefully it's this year we get the ship righted and we'll be headed back up the charts.

**Brandon494** · 06-29-2006, 10:59 AM

What a joke, we were #1 last year in pass defense and I know teams ran on us a lot but we were still good against the pass. We add A.J. hawk, Woodson, and Manuel and somehow we drop 25 spots? You notice how they didn't even explain why we were that low, they just gave us 26th and went on to the next team. I expect us to be no higher than 20 in any of their ranking but who really cares anyway?

**MadtownPacker** · 06-29-2006, 11:05 AM

Screw that!! My opinion is as good as the e.s.p.n. (extremely stupid predictions network) clowns any day.

Im throwing on the G&G goggles and predicting the Packers make a run at the playoffs!

Bank on it MFers!!

**jack's smirking revenge** · 06-29-2006, 11:06 AM

Well, I'm a fan and don't even beileve in the Packers right now. I guess it all depends on what you "believe in". Believing that they're going to go 7-9 or somewhere around there I think is pretty down-to-earth. I think that's a realistic expectation. To believe that they're SB or playoff bound is crazy right now because of all of the changes to the players, coaching staff and schemes. As wist said, they're just not a good football team right now.

Do I have faith that they could become one? Yes. In time. But all of the chaos has to coalesce into chemistry, leadership and focus. Right now, I don't see a leader on the Packer defense. I question the offensive and defensive lines. And the new schemes and coaching staff have to click with the influx of new faces.

Obviously, these are just my opinions. Even if the Packers tank in 2006, I will still be a fan and I will still be supportive.

26th? If anything, that should be a motivating factor for a defense that was ranked 7th last year. At least they're not ranked an inaccurate first...

tyler

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