That Favre Magic

[Zool]

Rodgers even in training camp couldn't find guys open and looked horrible.

thats news to me....

It was a blog on Jsonline where the reporter was talking that Rodgers has had problems way back in training camp not being able to find recievers open and holding onto the ball. He mentions also the scimmage and the San fran preseason game. I would link it but am too lazy. Good article in Jsonline about Rodgers struggles

To put this all into context, this was during the Favre fiasco. That had to be weighing heavily on the kid.

[cpk1994]

favre is 7-1 in OT games...

I think I remember the 1 loss. I think it was a fairly important game.

I know, I know. He got us that far. He's a great QB. I hope Rodgers gets a chance to do that.

That has to be regular season becuase he lost 2 in the post season: vs. Eagles(4th & 26 game) and last years NFC title game.

[MOBB DEEP]

Thank god for you these mods are AWESOME peeps and keep you on here, but it would be best (as you've NEVER posted ANYTHING EVER that is worthwhile) to just stay away...

shoot! i know im thankful what with ALL the obnoxious, worthless stuff that ive posted over the years

[MOBB DEEP]

favre is 7-1 in OT games...

I think I remember the 1 loss. I think it was a fairly important game.

I know, I know. He got us that far. He's a great QB. I hope Rodgers gets a chance to do that.

That has to be regular season becuase he lost 2 in the post season: vs. Eagles(4th & 26 game) and last years NFC title game.

qft

[bobblehead]

Rodgers even in training camp couldn't find guys open and looked horrible.

thats news to me....

It was a blog on Jsonline where the reporter was talking that Rodgers has had problems way back in training camp not being able to find recievers open and holding onto the ball. He mentions also the scimmage and the San fran preseason game. I would link it but am too lazy. Good article in Jsonline about Rodgers struggles

don't really care about preseason...we are 5-5, tied for the north, and he is playing pretty well when given a respectable running game and some time...enough for me.

[sharpe1027]

We could of had #4. Say what you want about Favre being too emotional and bailing on the packers, but what did you expect? FOr a full month prior to reinstatement, the packers tried their best to keep him retired. So, how is Favre suppose to commit 100% to the packers when...

- He is not guarenteed to be the starter, despite placing second in MVP votes last year and getting hte packers to the NFC championship game.
- The packers wanted him to make a decision before the draft. He was in a crappy mood over his final pass as a packer, the retirement was to be expected at that time.
- The packers spent the entire month prior to the reinstatement telling favre to stay retired. That they moved on.
- TT and MM commited to AR, and as Favre and Family said themselves, ever since AR was drafted there wasn't much support from management to make favre not want to retire.


So, excuse me. He made the mistake of retiring early, but it was the packers originzation (specifically TT), that caused the rift with #4 playing in GB, not Favre. When you spend an entire month telling him not to come back,a nd he does anyways, of course he is not commited to the team that told him they didn't want him to come back.

You forgot:

-The bribe they offered for him to stay retired.

Great post

Both sides had their disagreements and points that they might have made better moves, but you are clearly ignoring Favre's mistakes and not giving context to many of the points. To balance the discussion a little:

1) Favre certainly was asked to let them know his plans by a certain date. However, you left out that that this was a similiar deadline as the past couple years. He never stuck to it in the previous years, why did he suddenly think he was "forced" to stick to the deadline??? When he told McCarthy he felt pushed by the deadline, MM response was "why didn't you just tell us that at the time?"

2) Go back an listen to Favre's retirement speech. Then compare it to his excuses for his actions in unretiring. Completely contradictory.

3.) Somebody close to Favre kept speaking to reporters giving enough information that when the stories broke looked like attempts to smear the Packers, TT especially. Favre seemed more than happy to let the stories sit out there. I guess it was just to difficult to call up his agent, or relative and tell them to shut up? I mean, why should Favre be responsible in any manner for what they say?

4.) Favre made only one, short phone call before immediately asking for a release. Classy move, asking an organization that he had been with forever, that both he and the organization had benefited together, to ignore what he agreed in exchange for huge sums of money. The organization gets nothing, selfish. I seem to recall some good quotes from some ex-packer to J. Walker about honoring a contract...

5.) Favre went public on Greta mostly complaining that he wasn't allowed to be GM of the Packers.

6.) Throughout the entire process Favre was repeatedly asked if he was 100% committed to the Packers. The answer was consistently 'no.'

7.) When Favre finally took the effort to show up in GB, it was Favre, not TT or MM, that was not able to get over his personal dislikes, apparently partly due to not getting to make GM moves.

8.) The 'bribe' wasn't something new just to keep him retired. It was offered to him shortly after he initially retired. Yes, they brought it up again, but it wasn't some bribe cooked up just to keep him retired.

Both sides had their reasons and mistakes. Does it really even matter who was "more" right?

[Gunakor]

Favre made his announcement of intent to retire on March 4th. The deadline set by MM and TT was that they wanted to know before the draft, which took place late in April. He made his announcement a month and a half before his deadline, so he and his supporters have no legitimate case that he was pressured into anything. He had nearly 2 months to think on it had he wanted to. If anyone rushed anything here, it was Favre.

[cpk1994]

We could of had #4. Say what you want about Favre being too emotional and bailing on the packers, but what did you expect? FOr a full month prior to reinstatement, the packers tried their best to keep him retired. So, how is Favre suppose to commit 100% to the packers when...

- He is not guarenteed to be the starter, despite placing second in MVP votes last year and getting hte packers to the NFC championship game.
- The packers wanted him to make a decision before the draft. He was in a crappy mood over his final pass as a packer, the retirement was to be expected at that time.
- The packers spent the entire month prior to the reinstatement telling favre to stay retired. That they moved on.
- TT and MM commited to AR, and as Favre and Family said themselves, ever since AR was drafted there wasn't much support from management to make favre not want to retire.


So, excuse me. He made the mistake of retiring early, but it was the packers originzation (specifically TT), that caused the rift with #4 playing in GB, not Favre. When you spend an entire month telling him not to come back,a nd he does anyways, of course he is not commited to the team that told him they didn't want him to come back.

You forgot:

-The bribe they offered for him to stay retired.

Great post

Both sides had their disagreements and points that they might have made better moves, but you are clearly ignoring Favre's mistakes and not giving context to many of the points. To balance the discussion a little:

1) Favre certainly was asked to let them know his plans by a certain date. However, you left out that that this was a similiar deadline as the past couple years. He never stuck to it in the previous years, why did he suddenly think he was "forced" to stick to the deadline??? When he told McCarthy he felt pushed by the deadline, MM response was "why didn't you just tell us that at the time?"

2) Go back an listen to Favre's retirement speech. Then compare it to his excuses for his actions in unretiring. Completely contradictory.

3.) Somebody close to Favre kept speaking to reporters giving enough information that when the stories broke looked like attempts to smear the Packers, TT especially. Favre seemed more than happy to let the stories sit out there. I guess it was just to difficult to call up his agent, or relative and tell them to shut up? I mean, why should Favre be responsible in any manner for what they say?

4.) Favre made only one, short phone call before immediately asking for a release. Classy move, asking an organization that he had been with forever, that both he and the organization had benefited together, to ignore what he agreed in exchange for huge sums of money. The organization gets nothing, selfish. I seem to recall some good quotes from some ex-packer to J. Walker about honoring a contract...

5.) Favre went public on Greta mostly complaining that he wasn't allowed to be GM of the Packers.

6.) Throughout the entire process Favre was repeatedly asked if he was 100% committed to the Packers. The answer was consistently 'no.'

7.) When Favre finally took the effort to show up in GB, it was Favre, not TT or MM, that was not able to get over his personal dislikes, apparently partly due to not getting to make GM moves.

8.) The 'bribe' wasn't something new just to keep him retired. It was offered to him shortly after he initially retired. Yes, they brought it up again, but it wasn't some bribe cooked up just to keep him retired.

Both sides had their reasons and mistakes. Does it really even matter who was "more" right?

Excellent points. I also add one more:

9.)When Favre was finally reinstated, after Roger Goodel stuck his nose where it didn't belong, Favre decides to conviently fly up to GB to arrive as the Intra-Squad Scddrimmage just gets underway, totally(and probably purposely) overshadowing the team, specifically Rodgers, first performace in front of the fans. Why the need when you couldn't offically join the team until the physical was taken the next day anyway?

[LEWCWA]

This is the big problem on both sides of this fence. Everyone seems very preoccupied with placeing blame for the move. It was a situation that got out of hand in the end, due to poor decisions on both fronts. I'm out of the blame game. I understand both sides of this equation. I feel the discussion should move more toward was it best for the Pack. That is a discussion in itself, without blame. Both sides have legitimate arguments. Niether is probably 100% right.

[Sparkey]

It has worked out for everybody. Favre is playing good for the Jets. Rodgers is playing good for the Packers.

Comparing the two, you could argue that both are playing at or about the same level. As far as pocket presence, that Rodgers ( a first year starter) is being compared with Favre (a 17 year vet) speaks volumes of the long term potential for Rodgers and the Packers.

As far as W/L records. You could argue that the main reason the the Jets are 7-3 versus the Packers 5-5 is the number of penalties committed by Green Bay.

A perfect scenario is the jets keep improving and win the AFC and Green Bay wins their division. Rodgers proves he is capable of being a winning quarterback and a long term asset to the organization and they gain the highest trade compensation possible to further the teams future talent level.

GO PACK!

[cpk1994]

It has worked out for everybody. Favre is playing good for the Jets. Rodgers is playing good for the Packers.

Comparing the two, you could argue that both are playing at or about the same level. As far as pocket presence, that Rodgers ( a first year starter) is being compared with Favre (a 17 year vet) speaks volumes of the long term potential for Rodgers and the Packers.

As far as W/L records. You could argue that the main reason the the Jets are 7-3 versus the Packers 5-5 is the number of penalties committed by Green Bay.

A perfect scenario is the jets keep improving and win the AFC and Green Bay wins their division. Rodgers proves he is capable of being a winning quarterback and a long term asset to the organization and they gain the highest trade compensation possible to further the teams future talent level.

GO PACK!

You could also say that the Jets schedule has been much easier by far.

[Sparkey]

It has worked out for everybody. Favre is playing good for the Jets. Rodgers is playing good for the Packers.

Comparing the two, you could argue that both are playing at or about the same level. As far as pocket presence, that Rodgers ( a first year starter) is being compared with Favre (a 17 year vet) speaks volumes of the long term potential for Rodgers and the Packers.

As far as W/L records. You could argue that the main reason the the Jets are 7-3 versus the Packers 5-5 is the number of penalties committed by Green Bay.

A perfect scenario is the jets keep improving and win the AFC and Green Bay wins their division. Rodgers proves he is capable of being a winning quarterback and a long term asset to the organization and they gain the highest trade compensation possible to further the teams future talent level.

GO PACK!

You could also say that the Jets schedule has been much easier by far.

http://www.theredzone.org/strength.asp

No doubt that has something to do with it as well.

[LEWCWA]

It has worked out for everybody. Favre is playing good for the Jets. Rodgers is playing good for the Packers.

Comparing the two, you could argue that both are playing at or about the same level. As far as pocket presence, that Rodgers ( a first year starter) is being compared with Favre (a 17 year vet) speaks volumes of the long term potential for Rodgers and the Packers.

As far as W/L records. You could argue that the main reason the the Jets are 7-3 versus the Packers 5-5 is the number of penalties committed by Green Bay.

A perfect scenario is the jets keep improving and win the AFC and Green Bay wins their division. Rodgers proves he is capable of being a winning quarterback and a long term asset to the organization and they gain the highest trade compensation possible to further the teams future talent level.

GO PACK!

You could also say that the Jets schedule has been much easier by far.

Just can't help yourself can you!

[cpk1994]

It has worked out for everybody. Favre is playing good for the Jets. Rodgers is playing good for the Packers.

Comparing the two, you could argue that both are playing at or about the same level. As far as pocket presence, that Rodgers ( a first year starter) is being compared with Favre (a 17 year vet) speaks volumes of the long term potential for Rodgers and the Packers.

As far as W/L records. You could argue that the main reason the the Jets are 7-3 versus the Packers 5-5 is the number of penalties committed by Green Bay.

A perfect scenario is the jets keep improving and win the AFC and Green Bay wins their division. Rodgers proves he is capable of being a winning quarterback and a long term asset to the organization and they gain the highest trade compensation possible to further the teams future talent level.

GO PACK!

You could also say that the Jets schedule has been much easier by far.

Just can't help yourself can you!

Why? Its the absolute truth. In consecutive weeks they played Oakland, KC and St Louis, three of the worst teams in the NFL. Truth hurts doesn't it?

[TennesseePackerBacker]

It has worked out for everybody. Favre is playing good for the Jets. Rodgers is playing good for the Packers.

Comparing the two, you could argue that both are playing at or about the same level. As far as pocket presence, that Rodgers ( a first year starter) is being compared with Favre (a 17 year vet) speaks volumes of the long term potential for Rodgers and the Packers.

As far as W/L records. You could argue that the main reason the the Jets are 7-3 versus the Packers 5-5 is the number of penalties committed by Green Bay.

A perfect scenario is the jets keep improving and win the AFC and Green Bay wins their division. Rodgers proves he is capable of being a winning quarterback and a long term asset to the organization and they gain the highest trade compensation possible to further the teams future talent level.

GO PACK!

You could also say that the Jets schedule has been much easier by far.

Just can't help yourself can you!

It is the truth, why chastise him any more? I love Favre, but a lot of you people have such one-sided narrow views of this situation that it makes me sick. I actually know fans around here who have become Favre fans, foresaking the Packers. How asinine does that sound? almost as silly and unintelligent as you saying forget strength of schedule.