That Favre Magic

[MOBB DEEP]

yeah, Lord Favre def has "IT" out the wah zoo...!!!!

jets 4-12 last year pack 13-3

[Freak Out]

Favre = $$$

[Bretsky]

[digitaldean]

caught parts of the game online at nfl.com/live.

What I did see was a controlled Favre. He hit his receivers esp. Keller who had a clutch game.

But here's an honest question... would Favre have been able to transcend the horrible O-line play, abandonment of the run game by MM, or the sieve-like run defense? Highly unlikely.

I am pulling for Favre to do well. The better the Jets do, the better pick we'll get.

[Bretsky]

caught parts of the game online at nfl.com/live.

What I did see was a controlled Favre. He hit his receivers esp. Keller who had a clutch game.

But here's an honest question... would Favre have been able to transcend the horrible O-line play, abandonment of the run game by MM, or the sieve-like run defense? Highly unlikely.

I am pulling for Favre to do well. The better the Jets do, the better pick we'll get.

my view is his experience would have allowed him to effectively make some audibles and make some plays for that offense. I also think he has a better feel for when the pass rush is coming. It's safe to say that I'd have a lot more views to debate your highly unlikely view. Either way we'll never know.

[MOBB DEEP]

we'll never know. DARNIT!!!

[Dabaddestbear]

Yeah Thomas Jones and the O line has nothing to do with it...

Well we had Jones and a solid O-line and that didnt make the Bears successful in the same light offensively. Give the man his props. I do, especially since he is no longer a Packer..lol

[chain_gang]

caught parts of the game online at nfl.com/live.

What I did see was a controlled Favre. He hit his receivers esp. Keller who had a clutch game.

But here's an honest question... would Favre have been able to transcend the horrible O-line play, abandonment of the run game by MM, or the sieve-like run defense? Highly unlikely.

I am pulling for Favre to do well. The better the Jets do, the better pick we'll get.

my view is his experience would have allowed him to effectively make some audibles and make some plays for that offense. I also think he has a better feel for when the pass rush is coming. It's safe to say that I'd have a lot more views to debate your highly unlikely view. Either way we'll never know.

I have a somewhat different view, but similar in ways to both of yours. In my opinion having Favre on our team at it's current state, would not mean our record would be any better or that he'd be a lot more successful. As far as taking less sacks, yes I can pretty much guarantee it. However, we would would have a bunch more turnovers as the result of INT's. While Favre would not being as much he'd still have a ton of pressure to deal with. And Favre being pressured has never really amount to a ton of sacks, but it has caused the turnover in bunches games. I think we end up with more big plays on offense, but we end up being about even on our turnover differential this year, instead of the plus 7(I believe that's right) that were at now. I believe, that we have around the same record with Brett Favre at QB, as we do with Rodgers right now. I'm not trying to bash either QB, it's just I think our problems right now are bigger than at the QB position.

[dissident94]

Well I think we do know we would have a better record with Favre. One time in 15-16 years with Green Bay we had a losing record. That year was a complete fluke since we had Samkon Gado and Taco Wallace playing.

If you give Favre a few legit NFL players around him and you will always have a winning record. His years in the league prove it. He made many mediocre players look better. Same thing for Jordan and other one of a time players. THey make everyone around them better. That is what makes them great.

I can't believe we are even debating this. One of the best Qbs ever. Has won with every team that he has been on besides one. Rodgers has played 1/2 year and hasn't proved crap. BUt we are saying we wouldn't be better with Favre. Come one and wake up

[lod01]

But here's an honest question... would Favre have been able to transcend the horrible O-line play, abandonment of the run game by MM, or the sieve-like run defense? Highly unlikely.

The O-line would not 'look that bad' if Favre was back there. It is the same OL as last year is it not?

[red]

its becoming more and more clear to me that brett brought a something special to this team that many of us can't figure out or understand. but its clear that there was something about him. was it the laid back attitude, was it the child like love for the game, was it his drive to win? i don't know, but just looking at the mood and attitude of the team makes you think that something major has changed from last year to this year. this year they have come out many times and looked flat, they don't have that killer instinct to put the game away when they have the chance. last year they seemed to have that extra pep and drive.

did he make them want to play harder? did they feel they had to work harder?who knows, but the attitude of this team has gone down the shitter this year

and when you look at the jets and see them playing so much better, you got to wonder

and its just not the qb play, because rodgers is having a better year then brett stat wise. but there has to be something else that brett brought, and some of us are starting to figure that out

and it makes me more pissed that TT and MM ran him out of town

[dissident94]

First stats lie. Stats don't show the presnap reads and changes at the line a QB like Manning, Brady and Favre(recently) can do. Stats do not show field awareness. Rodgers has good stats. BUt he lacks the playmaking ability that Favre has. He doesn't take enough chances either.

To me there should be no debate. A qb who has more wins than any other Qb ever. Has had only 1 losing season with 5th string players around him. We would have more wins this year. No doubt.

But for some reason no recievers are open this year. Loot at jsonline blog where the writer is talking about how Rodgers even in training camp couldn't find guys open and looked horrible.

[dissident94]

And I am not ripping on Rodgers. I am rooting for him. I hope he turns great. After the first two games he looked awesome. BUt reality might be settling in. He is starting to look more and more like Kyle Boller or Joey harrington. I hope not. BUt that is a possibility.

Hopefully he turns it around against the Bears.

[Harlan Huckleby]

its becoming more and more clear to me that brett brought a something special to this team that many of us can't figure out or understand. but its clear that there was something about him. was it the laid back attitude, was it the child like love for the game, was it his drive to win? i don't know, but just looking at the mood and attitude of the team makes you think that something major has changed from last year to this year. this year they have come out many times and looked flat, they don't have that killer instinct to put the game away when they have the chance. last year they seemed to have that extra pep and drive.

did he make them want to play harder? did they feel they had to work harder?who knows, but the attitude of this team has gone down the shitter this year

and when you look at the jets and see them playing so much better, you got to wonder

and its just not the qb play, because rodgers is having a better year then brett stat wise. but there has to be something else that brett brought, and some of us are starting to figure that out

and it makes me more pissed that TT and MM ran him out of town

Beautifuly spoken, red. Brett Favre was not only a great football player, he was a wonderful human being. He made everyone around him better, both as players and as people. The holes that have been left on our roster and in our hearts are wounds that will never heal.

I share your rage at TT and MM, but lets not be vengeful. Their ultimate punishment will not be for us to decide. Just take some comfort in the old adage, "What goes around, comes around. "

[SkinBasket]

I share your rage at TT