That Favre Magic

[Harlan Huckleby]

you will never know the grace of being a Favre Fan, hater

[cpk1994]

its becoming more and more clear to me that brett brought a something special to this team that many of us can't figure out or understand. but its clear that there was something about him. was it the laid back attitude, was it the child like love for the game, was it his drive to win? i don't know, but just looking at the mood and attitude of the team makes you think that something major has changed from last year to this year. this year they have come out many times and looked flat, they don't have that killer instinct to put the game away when they have the chance. last year they seemed to have that extra pep and drive.

did he make them want to play harder? did they feel they had to work harder?who knows, but the attitude of this team has gone down the shitter this year

and when you look at the jets and see them playing so much better, you got to wonder

and its just not the qb play, because rodgers is having a better year then brett stat wise. but there has to be something else that brett brought, and some of us are starting to figure that out

and it makes me more pissed that TT and MM ran him out of town

Brett ran Brett out of town. Brett is responsible for where he is at becuase he couldn't COMMIT to the team. The big temper tantrum he threw becuase he wasn't put above the team made sure he would never be with the team.
But, TT & MM did not run Brett out of town. That is a crock of BS.

[dissident94]

The may not have ran him out, but they didn't do enough to keep him

In any business people with special abilities get perks. We didn't do that with Favre because I believe they thought they would be better off without him. Well we are not. Lets man up and admit it.

Hey we will get a draft pick though so it can be traded dow 5 times and we can be the youngest team in the NFL again. Especially after Clifton and Tauscher are gone.

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its becoming more and more clear to me that brett brought a something special to this team that many of us can't figure out or understand. but its clear that there was something about him. was it the laid back attitude, was it the child like love for the game, was it his drive to win? i don't know, but just looking at the mood and attitude of the team makes you think that something major has changed from last year to this year. this year they have come out many times and looked flat, they don't have that killer instinct to put the game away when they have the chance. last year they seemed to have that extra pep and drive.

did he make them want to play harder? did they feel they had to work harder?who knows, but the attitude of this team has gone down the shitter this year

and when you look at the jets and see them playing so much better, you got to wonder

and its just not the qb play, because rodgers is having a better year then brett stat wise. but there has to be something else that brett brought, and some of us are starting to figure that out

and it makes me more pissed that TT and MM ran him out of town

Brett ran Brett out of town. Brett is responsible for where he is at becuase he couldn't COMMIT to the team. The big temper tantrum he threw becuase he wasn't put above the team made sure he would never be with the team.
But, TT & MM did not run Brett out of town. That is a crock of BS.

is it common for other teams to put a deadline on the face of their franchise for him to make up his mind? i remember a lot of bigger named guys retiring well after brett did, even on the eve of camp. to give him a deadline to make up his mind is what was BS in my book. guys like sapp and strahan waited until the last minute because they couldn't make up their minds, just like brett

and then when he figures out he made a mistake, he says he wants to come back. MM says the team has moved on, no thanks. then he tells him he can come back but a-rod is the starter, no competition.

they tried to force him to stay retired, he wanted to play. the packers no longer wanted him, so he demanded to be released so he can still play

they could have let come back, and maybe things would be better. but they didn't want him back, so now TT and M3 have to sleep in the bed they made.

and i'll tell you right now, if a player made a massive mistake that cost the team many games, they would be cut. will the gm and coaches be held to those same standards?

[cheesner]

its becoming more and more clear to me that brett brought a something special to this team that many of us can't figure out or understand. but its clear that there was something about him. was it the laid back attitude, was it the child like love for the game, was it his drive to win? i don't know, but just looking at the mood and attitude of the team makes you think that something major has changed from last year to this year. this year they have come out many times and looked flat, they don't have that killer instinct to put the game away when they have the chance. last year they seemed to have that extra pep and drive.

did he make them want to play harder? did they feel they had to work harder?who knows, but the attitude of this team has gone down the shitter this year

and when you look at the jets and see them playing so much better, you got to wonder

and its just not the qb play, because rodgers is having a better year then brett stat wise. but there has to be something else that brett brought, and some of us are starting to figure that out

and it makes me more pissed that TT and MM ran him out of town

Brett ran Brett out of town. Brett is responsible for where he is at becuase he couldn't COMMIT to the team. The big temper tantrum he threw becuase he wasn't put above the team made sure he would never be with the team.
But, TT & MM did not run Brett out of town. That is a crock of BS.

is it common for other teams to put a deadline on the face of their franchise for him to make up his mind? i remember a lot of bigger named guys retiring well after brett did, even on the eve of camp. to give him a deadline to make up his mind is what was BS in my book. guys like sapp and strahan waited until the last minute because they couldn't make up their minds, just like brett

and then when he figures out he made a mistake, he says he wants to come back. MM says the team has moved on, no thanks. then he tells him he can come back but a-rod is the starter, no competition.

they tried to force him to stay retired, he wanted to play. the packers no longer wanted him, so he demanded to be released so he can still play

they could have let come back, and maybe things would be better. but they didn't want him back, so now TT and M3 have to sleep in the bed they made.

and i'll tell you right now, if a player made a massive mistake that cost the team many games, they would be cut. will the gm and coaches be held to those same standards?

Favre met with MM when he did come back. Brett was welcomed into the building. In the 5 hr meeting, MM came away with the impression that BF's heart was not in the Packers. He was way to emotional about things and MM (not TT) decided that it was in the team's best interest to not have his attitude on the team.

Perhaps if BF was allowed back on the team he would have straightened out and concentrated on football and his teammates would have accepted him. Perhaps he would have played as well for us as he is for the jets. We will never know. I suspect our record would be about the same if he had played for us.

[Partial]

You know what the only issue that should matter is? The football operations staff is in place to make the Packers win as many games as possible. Even if they don't like Brett, isn't it their obligation to a publicly owned franchise to put their feelings aside and play the best guys?!?

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when they finally had their 5 hour meeting it was well after favre had informed the team he still wanted to play, the team so no we moved on. he had asked to be released then, they had said no. the team had accused him a saying and doing a few things in the media, that brett didn't agree with

so yeah, when they met he was probably pretty pissed. the team that he gave his heart and soul for, for a decade and a half was at the time shitting all over him

you can't just pick up a story half way through it and say this is the way things happened. you have to tell the whole story

[SkinBasket]

you can't just pick up a story half way through it and say this is the way things happened. you have to tell the whole story

So then I put it in and she said, "No! Not there!" She did hesitate for a moment however, and then relented. "I mean, I've never tried that before." A sigh later and we were in business.

Who says you need the whole story?

[bobblehead]

you can't just pick up a story half way through it and say this is the way things happened. you have to tell the whole story

So then I put it in and she said, "No! Not there!" She did hesitate for a moment however, and then relented. "I mean, I've never tried that before." A sigh later and we were in business.

Who says you need the whole story?

best post of this entire thread.

[packerbacker1234]

I don't think it would even be a question of "if" the packers would be better with Favre then Rodgers.

Everyone points to all the pressure AR is getting, and the lack of a run game. How Favre at best has the packers right where they are now.


Excuse me: 10 of 11 starters returned from last season on offense, the lone missing part is #4.

So, if Favre took that offense to 13-3 last season, what would be the difference this year, outsid eof RYAN GRANT starting from the get go. Something tells me they would of been even better overall then last season's offense.

But hey, what do I know right? It's so obvious that Favre would play worse then AR has this season despite playing with the exact same offensive roster that he palyed like a MVP in last year.

It's more apparent to me with AR that the mistakes you expect first year starters to make are hurting the offense.

- He holds on to the ball too long.
- He's afraid to made mistakes.
- He doesn't have a good feel for the pash rush.
- He doesn't make quick enough decisions.

This is not AR's fault: These are expected issues. All I know is watching Favre last night single handidly beat NE and take over first place on the road made me go: "That could of been GB."

We could of had #4. Say what you want about Favre being too emotional and bailing on the packers, but what did you expect? FOr a full month prior to reinstatement, the packers tried their best to keep him retired. So, how is Favre suppose to commit 100% to the packers when...

- He is not guarenteed to be the starter, despite placing second in MVP votes last year and getting hte packers to the NFC championship game.
- The packers wanted him to make a decision before the draft. He was in a crappy mood over his final pass as a packer, the retirement was to be expected at that time.
- The packers spent the entire month prior to the reinstatement telling favre to stay retired. That they moved on.
- TT and MM commited to AR, and as Favre and Family said themselves, ever since AR was drafted there wasn't much support from management to make favre not want to retire.


So, excuse me. He made the mistake of retiring early, but it was the packers originzation (specifically TT), that caused the rift with #4 playing in GB, not Favre. When you spend an entire month telling him not to come back,a nd he does anyways, of course he is not commited to the team that told him they didn't want him to come back.

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nice post pb1234

well said

[Fred's Slacks]

Please, everybody stop talking about the only difference from last year to this year is #4. That is extremely over simplified. I agree that Favre is better at checking at the line and feeling out the blitz and getting the ball out of his hand, but you will never convince me that the pass protection this year is just as good as last year. The most important position behind QB is LT. Besides week 1 and week 7(colts) Clifton has been a shell of himself. Combine that with Well's poor play and you've got problem in pass protection that didn't exist last year. Even Tauscher has had poor games. Favre may have handled it better but I don't think we'd be 8-1 with him under center. One other thing that fails to get mentioned is the total collapse of the run defense. Bad run defense = bad ball control = no rhythm on offense. And what about the penalties. We are the most penalized team in the league. Did Rodgers commit all the penalties? No. It's not as simple as "We replaced Favre with Rodgers and now we're 4-5."

[Partial]

Did you see Favre dodging, dipping, ducking, diving and dodging the pass rush? NE's pass rush was relentless last night as well, and like a savy vet he managed to make things happen.

Do you all not remember us cursing the line for weeks 1-8 last year? They were awful.

[packinpatland]

nice post pb1234

well said

I agree with most of the post.,.............but not this statement....


"Favre last night single handidly beat NE"
The Jets as a team played pretty well last night. Can't ignore that run back by Washington. If they had played the whole game like they played the first half, I'd have been able to go to bed alot earlier.

[arcilite]

Did you see Favre dodging, dipping, ducking, diving and dodging the pass rush?

No.. not really.