That Favre Magic

[bobblehead]

Brett's play makes me wonder what could have been. With the way he is playing (and probably would have started out playing with his knowledge of the offense), we'd be the class of the NFC imo for sure.

So, you would blame Rodgers for our losses? Come on really?

Not solely, but he has had some to do with it. He has had four really bad game. We should have won the Falcons game with how well he played.

He could not generate any offense against Dallas. He didn't make any mistakes, but he didn't try and do anything either. Note the difference last year to this year. One word: Game tape.

He threw three picks against a slightly better than average Tampa team, and I believe had a fumble too. Yes, I blame him.

Against Tenneessee he through a critical pick, and couldn't convert when we got close. We had plenty of third and shorts and didn't make plays.

He was terrible against Minnesota. I completely blame him. What did we score, 10 offensive points?!?

coincidently all THREE of his bad games came right after he hurt his shoulder and missed practicing the game plan all week....they also seemed to occur when he had no running game and was hit quickly time after time.

I'll be the first to admit that BF is a better QB RIGHT NOW than Rodgers is if you could just admit that rodgers is playing very good....good enough that the team should be 7-3 at least. If BF didn't retire, unretire, retire, and then show up to camp none of this would matter as he would be our QB right now and we might very well be 7-3 or 8-2....or we might not.

[bobblehead]

Lance Allen said Favre is starting to garner MVP consideration.

I think Favre missing camp actually might bode well for him. Their has been a sentiment that he has been gassed by the end of the year and has struggled the past few seasons. Maybe missing the off-season has kept his body fresher!

I was talking to my dad and he brought up an interesting point about that. He said that if Favre can come in after missing all the off season activities and work outs and play like he has this year, what does that say about all the off season workouts and things like that? How necessary are they really?

Favre was absolutely fantastic today, but he is still leading the NFL in interceptions. That right there should nix MVP talk and also make your father understand the importance of an offseason program.

So what? I don't get why people harp over this. Most importantly is how much he has opened up that offense. Picks happen. I don't think that would influence people at all. What quarterback is playing at a higher level right now? It'd be tough to make a case for more than a handful of dudes.

The reason people harp over this is because nothing kills a team quicker than turnovers. How many times can you expect your QB to throw 3 picks in a game and still come out of it with a victory? It's happened to Favre several times this year, which is a real testament to the rest of the team they have up there in New York. But it doesn't change the fact that those picks could have very well cost his team those games. Picks happen, true enough, but when you are leading the league in picks that means they are happening more often than they should be.

I disagree. We've been on the receiving end of a flurry of turnovers and at .500 luckily.

Also, we've barely had any offensive turnovers, and are at .500.

There are times when turnovers hurt badly, but I would say a good amount of them don't result in any points. Often times an interception or fumble has the same effect as a punt.

Obviously, nobody wants to have turnovers, but they happen. Give me a quarterback who will play to win, and throw two picks and two TDs and consistently drives us down the field, versus one who plays it safe, doesn't use all his weapons, and plays not to lose.

History says you are wrong. Vegas linesmakers take turnover differential into HUGE account when making the lines. Turnover differential is the NUMBER ONE statistical correlation to winning vs. losing. Just cuz you can point out our team this season as doing well in that category doesn't mean squat...oh yea, and you are only talking picks...how about all the fumbles Grant had early on.

[bobblehead]

I don't want to give the impression that int's are a good thing, but sometimes they are a necessary evil. Just like K's are a necessary evil for power hitters in baseball. I'm sure Ryan Howard or fat boy Fielder could cut down on their k's, but that would also cut into their homerun production. It is the nature of the beast. QB's sometimes have to take shots to make explosive plays and sometimes those shots turn into picks.

This also doesn't mean shit. Look back at the winners of the world series over the past 25 years and note where their HR numbers stack up with the league...then look at the K numbers vs. the league. Chics might dig the long ball, but smart winning GMs value pitching and hitters that work the count.

Steinbrenner went to something like 8 straight ALCS games or further with minimal power hitters, then he sold out for ARod, Giambi, abreu, damon....you know, a bunch of offensive players and look at the results....Joe Torre got fired.

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Brett's play makes me wonder what could have been. With the way he is playing (and probably would have started out playing with his knowledge of the offense), we'd be the class of the NFC imo for sure.

So, you would blame Rodgers for our losses? Come on really?

Not solely, but he has had some to do with it. He has had four really bad game. We should have won the Falcons game with how well he played.

He could not generate any offense against Dallas. He didn't make any mistakes, but he didn't try and do anything either. Note the difference last year to this year. One word: Game tape.

He threw three picks against a slightly better than average Tampa team, and I believe had a fumble too. Yes, I blame him.

Against Tenneessee he through a critical pick, and couldn't convert when we got close. We had plenty of third and shorts and didn't make plays.

He was terrible against Minnesota. I completely blame him. What did we score, 10 offensive points?!?

coincidently all THREE of his bad games came right after he hurt his shoulder and missed practicing the game plan all week....they also seemed to occur when he had no running game and was hit quickly time after time.

I'll be the first to admit that BF is a better QB RIGHT NOW than Rodgers is if you could just admit that rodgers is playing very good....good enough that the team should be 7-3 at least. If BF didn't retire, unretire, retire, and then show up to camp none of this would matter as he would be our QB right now and we might very well be 7-3 or 8-2....or we might not.

Thats part of football. I didn't hear anyone giving the Bears some slack for their QB gutting it out with a bad ankle sprain last week.

Aaron is playing OK. He started out great, and has faded imo. I don't blame the injury, I blame teams getting game tape on him. It's not his fault, he's young. He's playing alright for a first year quarterback. Nothing more nothing less. He has shown the potential to be very good, though, which is more than you can say for most quarterbacks in the league.

[bobblehead]

Brett's play makes me wonder what could have been. With the way he is playing (and probably would have started out playing with his knowledge of the offense), we'd be the class of the NFC imo for sure.

So, you would blame Rodgers for our losses? Come on really?

Not solely, but he has had some to do with it. He has had four really bad game. We should have won the Falcons game with how well he played.

He could not generate any offense against Dallas. He didn't make any mistakes, but he didn't try and do anything either. Note the difference last year to this year. One word: Game tape.

He threw three picks against a slightly better than average Tampa team, and I believe had a fumble too. Yes, I blame him.

Against Tenneessee he through a critical pick, and couldn't convert when we got close. We had plenty of third and shorts and didn't make plays.

He was terrible against Minnesota. I completely blame him. What did we score, 10 offensive points?!?

coincidently all THREE of his bad games came right after he hurt his shoulder and missed practicing the game plan all week....they also seemed to occur when he had no running game and was hit quickly time after time.

I'll be the first to admit that BF is a better QB RIGHT NOW than Rodgers is if you could just admit that rodgers is playing very good....good enough that the team should be 7-3 at least. If BF didn't retire, unretire, retire, and then show up to camp none of this would matter as he would be our QB right now and we might very well be 7-3 or 8-2....or we might not.

Thats part of football. I didn't hear anyone giving the Bears some slack for their QB gutting it out with a bad ankle sprain last week.

Aaron is playing OK. He started out great, and has faded imo. I don't blame the injury, I blame teams getting game tape on him. It's not his fault, he's young. He's playing alright for a first year quarterback. Nothing more nothing less. He has shown the potential to be very good, though, which is more than you can say for most quarterbacks in the league.

Fair enough, the injury may not have had as much to do with it as game tape, we can't really know at this point....but going forward if he resumes stellar play then we can probably put it more on the injury.

As far as orton is concerned he wasn't part of the discussion and I'm not trying to analyze him. I do take things like that into considertion when trying to gauge our defense though.

[sheepshead]

I dont see how we can pin any loss on Rodgers, I'm not buying it at all. Would Brett Favre , Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas made for a different outcome? Who knows, but putting the blame for any of our losses this year squarely on Rodgers shoulders is irresponsible.

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Without a doubt if Aaron picks up his play, his year will be labeled a success.

Right now, he's very up and down. He's had some excellent games, and equally many crappy games. Reminds me of Rex Grossman in 2006 for the Bears, where he led the league in games with passer rating over 100, but had equally many terrible outtings to end up being pretty average.

Hopefully he takes advantage of a weak NO secondary tonight. I imagine he puts up 3 TDs and 200 yards. I think its a very high scoring game.

[prsnfoto]

Not sure if this has been posted...but interesting to see that Favre admitted he wanted revenge...what a prick!

"On the charter home from Nashville on Sunday night, before takeoff, old friend Bubba Franks walked by Brett Favre's seat on the plane. "How do you feel?'' Franks wondered.

"Like I'm 39,'' Favre said.

And he sounded weary -- weary but happy -- after the Jets manhandled the Titans 34-13, ruining Tennessee's hopes for a perfect season. "I never expected a game like this,'' he said. "When I put the film on to watch them last week, I said, "Holy crap, they're good. Really good. But it's the kind of win that means something, where there's a lot of hooting and hollering in the locker room after the game, and you say to yourself, 'This is fun. This is why I came back.'"





I told Favre it's pretty amazing that four months ago he seemed determined to play for Green Bay or Minnesota or no team, and look what's happened. "You're right,'' he said. "Who'da thunk it? Me, a New York Jet. I remember those days. I was not open to playing anywhere else, but for all the wrong reasons. For revenge, or whatever. And that was wrong. I knew what a change it would be, especially in New York. I was about to be 39, and New York wasn't a great fit. The media, coming off a 4-12 season, learning a new offense, the high expectations ... Did I really want to go through that?

"A change like that would have been tough on a 22-year-old. As a matter of fact, after I reached the agreement with the Jets, we were in the plane coming up to New Jersey and I thought, 'Oh no! What am I doing? I'm making a big mistake.'

"It might have been more than I was up for. But then [wife] Deanna said something to me that made sense. She said, 'Hey, whether you're here one year, two years, or five weeks, whatever, you've got to be committed.' And she was right. I owed it to the Jets to give them everything I had.

"And it's been great. It hasn't been all smooth, but I've enjoyed it. I'm having fun. Now, if we were 3-8 instead of 8-3, I know I'd be back on the farm next year and it'd be over. But I'm just going to play as hard as I can every week the rest of the way and we'll see how it goes.''

No promises about next year. He just doesn't know yet, and he's not allowing himself to think ahead. He did think ahead about one thing Sunday, though.

"There's a good chance we play the Titans again,'' he said. "These guys are good.''

So are the Jets. Maybe second-seed-in-the-AFC good."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....html?bcnn=yes

How does that make him a prick his management made it crystal clear he was not wanted back after having one of the most storied career's in the history of the game. Yes he should not have retired to begin with all the idiots who thought he should stay retired are proven quite well, fucking stupid. He was pissed at them and he had every right to be, he also admitted he was wrong and it all worked out for the the best at least for him. This whole saga is much like a divorce I not only wanted to but planned many times how I could kill the fucking first wife for cheating and leaving now I am married again to a wonderful wife and mother and could not be any happier and my kids are closer to me than ever and the ex married the guy she cheated with and he beats the shit out of her, I call that justice, because I love the Pack I hope the same fate does not happen to Teddy but that is up to the guy upstairs.

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You planned to kill the mother of your childern? That's a little fucked up, even for this place.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Without a doubt if Aaron picks up his play, his year will be labeled a success.

Right now, he's very up and down. He's had some excellent games, and equally many crappy games. Reminds me of Rex Grossman in 2006 for the Bears, where he led the league in games with passer rating over 100, but had equally many terrible outtings to end up being pretty average.

Hopefully he takes advantage of a weak NO secondary tonight. I imagine he puts up 3 TDs and 200 yards. I think its a very high scoring game.

Grossman completed 54% of his passes for 23 TDs and 20 interceptions a 73.9 QB rating that year.

Rodgers has completed 64.5% of his passes for 15 TDs and 6 interceptions for a 94.5 QB rating this year.

Rodgers is playing MUCH better than Grossman did. He's played average in some games, but he's only had one poor game this year. He's had about 4-5 good ones. I wouldn't classify him as having some some excellent and many crappy games. He's been much above average, and he's not even close to the main reason we are 5-5. Your football knowledge is lacking. Now, where can I find a good, free .avi to .flv converter?

[sharpe1027]

Reminds me of Rex Grossman in 2006 for the Bears, where he led the league in games with passer rating over 100, but had equally many terrible outtings to end up being pretty average.

Not even close to Rexxy. Not even in the same league of terrible play. No way, no how.

[cpk1994]

Not sure if this has been posted...but interesting to see that Favre admitted he wanted revenge...what a prick!

"On the charter home from Nashville on Sunday night, before takeoff, old friend Bubba Franks walked by Brett Favre's seat on the plane. "How do you feel?'' Franks wondered.

"Like I'm 39,'' Favre said.

And he sounded weary -- weary but happy -- after the Jets manhandled the Titans 34-13, ruining Tennessee's hopes for a perfect season. "I never expected a game like this,'' he said. "When I put the film on to watch them last week, I said, "Holy crap, they're good. Really good. But it's the kind of win that means something, where there's a lot of hooting and hollering in the locker room after the game, and you say to yourself, 'This is fun. This is why I came back.'"





I told Favre it's pretty amazing that four months ago he seemed determined to play for Green Bay or Minnesota or no team, and look what's happened. "You're right,'' he said. "Who'da thunk it? Me, a New York Jet. I remember those days. I was not open to playing anywhere else, but for all the wrong reasons. For revenge, or whatever. And that was wrong. I knew what a change it would be, especially in New York. I was about to be 39, and New York wasn't a great fit. The media, coming off a 4-12 season, learning a new offense, the high expectations ... Did I really want to go through that?

"A change like that would have been tough on a 22-year-old. As a matter of fact, after I reached the agreement with the Jets, we were in the plane coming up to New Jersey and I thought, 'Oh no! What am I doing? I'm making a big mistake.'

"It might have been more than I was up for. But then [wife] Deanna said something to me that made sense. She said, 'Hey, whether you're here one year, two years, or five weeks, whatever, you've got to be committed.' And she was right. I owed it to the Jets to give them everything I had.

"And it's been great. It hasn't been all smooth, but I've enjoyed it. I'm having fun. Now, if we were 3-8 instead of 8-3, I know I'd be back on the farm next year and it'd be over. But I'm just going to play as hard as I can every week the rest of the way and we'll see how it goes.''

No promises about next year. He just doesn't know yet, and he's not allowing himself to think ahead. He did think ahead about one thing Sunday, though.

"There's a good chance we play the Titans again,'' he said. "These guys are good.''

So are the Jets. Maybe second-seed-in-the-AFC good."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....html?bcnn=yes

How does that make him a prick his management made it crystal clear he was not wanted back after having one of the most storied career's in the history of the game. Yes he should not have retired to begin with all the idiots who thought he should stay retired are proven quite well, fucking stupid. He was pissed at them and he had every right to be, he also admitted he was wrong and it all worked out for the the best at least for him. This whole saga is much like a divorce I not only wanted to but planned many times how I could kill the fucking first wife for cheating and leaving now I am married again to a wonderful wife and mother and could not be any happier and my kids are closer to me than ever and the ex married the guy she cheated with and he beats the shit out of her, I call that justice, because I love the Pack I hope the same fate does not happen to Teddy but that is up to the guy upstairs.

BS. Favre was never told he wasn't wanted back. He was told if he comes back, he will be the backup. I know you hate TT, but don't twist facts.

[red]

Not sure if this has been posted...but interesting to see that Favre admitted he wanted revenge...what a prick!

"On the charter home from Nashville on Sunday night, before takeoff, old friend Bubba Franks walked by Brett Favre's seat on the plane. "How do you feel?'' Franks wondered.

"Like I'm 39,'' Favre said.

And he sounded weary -- weary but happy -- after the Jets manhandled the Titans 34-13, ruining Tennessee's hopes for a perfect season. "I never expected a game like this,'' he said. "When I put the film on to watch them last week, I said, "Holy crap, they're good. Really good. But it's the kind of win that means something, where there's a lot of hooting and hollering in the locker room after the game, and you say to yourself, 'This is fun. This is why I came back.'"





I told Favre it's pretty amazing that four months ago he seemed determined to play for Green Bay or Minnesota or no team, and look what's happened. "You're right,'' he said. "Who'da thunk it? Me, a New York Jet. I remember those days. I was not open to playing anywhere else, but for all the wrong reasons. For revenge, or whatever. And that was wrong. I knew what a change it would be, especially in New York. I was about to be 39, and New York wasn't a great fit. The media, coming off a 4-12 season, learning a new offense, the high expectations ... Did I really want to go through that?

"A change like that would have been tough on a 22-year-old. As a matter of fact, after I reached the agreement with the Jets, we were in the plane coming up to New Jersey and I thought, 'Oh no! What am I doing? I'm making a big mistake.'

"It might have been more than I was up for. But then [wife] Deanna said something to me that made sense. She said, 'Hey, whether you're here one year, two years, or five weeks, whatever, you've got to be committed.' And she was right. I owed it to the Jets to give them everything I had.

"And it's been great. It hasn't been all smooth, but I've enjoyed it. I'm having fun. Now, if we were 3-8 instead of 8-3, I know I'd be back on the farm next year and it'd be over. But I'm just going to play as hard as I can every week the rest of the way and we'll see how it goes.''

No promises about next year. He just doesn't know yet, and he's not allowing himself to think ahead. He did think ahead about one thing Sunday, though.

"There's a good chance we play the Titans again,'' he said. "These guys are good.''

So are the Jets. Maybe second-seed-in-the-AFC good."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....html?bcnn=yes

How does that make him a prick his management made it crystal clear he was not wanted back after having one of the most storied career's in the history of the game. Yes he should not have retired to begin with all the idiots who thought he should stay retired are proven quite well, fucking stupid. He was pissed at them and he had every right to be, he also admitted he was wrong and it all worked out for the the best at least for him. This whole saga is much like a divorce I not only wanted to but planned many times how I could kill the fucking first wife for cheating and leaving now I am married again to a wonderful wife and mother and could not be any happier and my kids are closer to me than ever and the ex married the guy she cheated with and he beats the shit out of her, I call that justice, because I love the Pack I hope the same fate does not happen to Teddy but that is up to the guy upstairs.

BS. Favre was never told he wasn't wanted back. He was told if he comes back, he will be the backup. I know you hate TT, but don't twist facts.

bull shit

[LEWCWA]

I dont see how we can pin any loss on Rodgers, I'm not buying it at all. Would Brett Favre , Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas made for a different outcome? Who knows, but putting the blame for any of our losses this year squarely on Rodgers shoulders is irresponsible.

Thats your problem you need glasses!

[Bretsky]

Not sure if this has been posted...but interesting to see that Favre admitted he wanted revenge...what a prick!

"On the charter home from Nashville on Sunday night, before takeoff, old friend Bubba Franks walked by Brett Favre's seat on the plane. "How do you feel?'' Franks wondered.

"Like I'm 39,'' Favre said.

And he sounded weary -- weary but happy -- after the Jets manhandled the Titans 34-13, ruining Tennessee's hopes for a perfect season. "I never expected a game like this,'' he said. "When I put the film on to watch them last week, I said, "Holy crap, they're good. Really good. But it's the kind of win that means something, where there's a lot of hooting and hollering in the locker room after the game, and you say to yourself, 'This is fun. This is why I came back.'"





I told Favre it's pretty amazing that four months ago he seemed determined to play for Green Bay or Minnesota or no team, and look what's happened. "You're right,'' he said. "Who'da thunk it? Me, a New York Jet. I remember those days. I was not open to playing anywhere else, but for all the wrong reasons. For revenge, or whatever. And that was wrong. I knew what a change it would be, especially in New York. I was about to be 39, and New York wasn't a great fit. The media, coming off a 4-12 season, learning a new offense, the high expectations ... Did I really want to go through that?

"A change like that would have been tough on a 22-year-old. As a matter of fact, after I reached the agreement with the Jets, we were in the plane coming up to New Jersey and I thought, 'Oh no! What am I doing? I'm making a big mistake.'

"It might have been more than I was up for. But then [wife] Deanna said something to me that made sense. She said, 'Hey, whether you're here one year, two years, or five weeks, whatever, you've got to be committed.' And she was right. I owed it to the Jets to give them everything I had.

"And it's been great. It hasn't been all smooth, but I've enjoyed it. I'm having fun. Now, if we were 3-8 instead of 8-3, I know I'd be back on the farm next year and it'd be over. But I'm just going to play as hard as I can every week the rest of the way and we'll see how it goes.''

No promises about next year. He just doesn't know yet, and he's not allowing himself to think ahead. He did think ahead about one thing Sunday, though.

"There's a good chance we play the Titans again,'' he said. "These guys are good.''

So are the Jets. Maybe second-seed-in-the-AFC good."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....html?bcnn=yes

How does that make him a prick his management made it crystal clear he was not wanted back after having one of the most storied career's in the history of the game. Yes he should not have retired to begin with all the idiots who thought he should stay retired are proven quite well, fucking stupid. He was pissed at them and he had every right to be, he also admitted he was wrong and it all worked out for the the best at least for him. This whole saga is much like a divorce I not only wanted to but planned many times how I could kill the fucking first wife for cheating and leaving now I am married again to a wonderful wife and mother and could not be any happier and my kids are closer to me than ever and the ex married the guy she cheated with and he beats the shit out of her, I call that justice, because I love the Pack I hope the same fate does not happen to Teddy but that is up to the guy upstairs.

BS. Favre was never told he wasn't wanted back. He was told if he comes back, he will be the backup. I know you hate TT, but don't twist facts.

bull shit

A. We have no idea what was said behind closed doors

The only facts out there are what the particular person chooses to believe