Fire TT

[hoosier]

So many of the problems on this team were not TT's fault. The OL with zero depth, bad cap problems and expiring contracts was a disaster created by Mike Sherman.

The linebackers, cornerbacks, safeties, running backs and full backs were all disasters created by Sherman.


HOWEVER. When TT came in, he was handed young players on the DL such as Kampman, Cullen Jenkins and Corey Williams along with a vet that was still putting up big sack numbers in KGB. It was not unmanagable and it's now getting worse. This group has to turn around and you can't go into a year crossing yoru fingers that none of your lineman will get injured. That is a position tha tyou need to plan on having one injury at all times during the season. We have a ton of depth all over the team except where it matters most. We need more players, quickly.

Hmmmm....Weren't you the one who just a week ago was talking up how you've been battling bravely against the fair-weather fans who are always looking for a scapegoat, and saying that, despite all those fickle naysayers, TT is really doing a great job? Did one crappy performance transform TT from a genius into an incompetent?

[RashanGary]

The buck starts and stops with the GM in my opinion. Coaches matter, but most NFL coaches do a good job. It's the players that win and lose games and it's the GM that puts the players on the field.

I'm really happy with TT's overall approach. I think he turned a lot of our aging, overpaid roster over and now we're poised to go up. However, I'm really disappointed in the job he's done on the DL.


Kampman, Corey Williams and Cullen Jenkins were the young core left by Sherman.

Harrell, Jeremy Thompson and drug addict Jolly are the young core that Ted has put together.



I will say, Thompson has done a masterfull job turning over a pathetic roster but man, this DL isn't good enough. I don't expect a SB every year. I don't even expect the playoffs every year. I'd rather have a down year and build it right than pay a lot of money for a false patch and ruin the team for years to come. That said, TT has to be accountable for this group next year. Even if they're young, inconsistent players I'd rather have that than these 4 year nobodies.

[Ballboy]

Lets not forget that the Saints are one of the least sacked teams in the NFL....it really should come as no surprise that we didn't get to him all the time.

TT problem is Justin Harrell. RARELY, is ever does it work out to draft an oft-injured player early in the draft. This pick, and this pick only is bitting him in the ASS. Maybe, and I stress Maybe, in a few years he will be a dominating player at his position, right now, I just don't see it.


TT better draft DL, early and often in this draft. I don't want to see a WR or really any offensive player taken till the 4th round and then it better be an OL.

[ND72]

blah blah blah

after every loss, lets fire TT, after ever win, god we're awesome.

Yes, we have DL issues. I'm sure we'll address it in the offseason.

I'm less worried about that then the fact we made ZERO defensive adjustments.

[hurleyfan]

blah blah blah

after every loss, lets fire TT, after ever win, god we're awesome.

Yes, we have DL issues. I'm sure we'll address it in the offseason.

I'm less worried about that then the fact we made ZERO defensive adjustments.

I sure hope there is a "change" in the D co-ordinator next year.. Too late to change this year.

Singletary may be available!!

[cpk1994]

blah blah blah

after every loss, lets fire TT, after ever win, god we're awesome.

Yes, we have DL issues. I'm sure we'll address it in the offseason.

I'm less worried about that then the fact we made ZERO defensive adjustments.

This. Where were the blitzes? Im not saying all the time but if you aren't getting a pass rush with your 4, you bring 5 and 6. Sanders is an idiot.

[Patler]

Great, so he didn't see it coming. When I gave my prediction on the season, I said 9-7 because the DL is too thin to repeat. I'm definitly not trying to say I know more than TT but I think it was obvious that we lacked depth on the DL. If he truely didn't see ti coming, I guess there is reason to believe everythign would have went right, but now he should know. If this DL doesn't turn over (and quickly) he needs to be canned. These players do not belong on a roster.

But when did you say that?

The problem with the NFL today, as Wolf pointed out several years ago (a year or two after he retired) is that you can't "fix" your team after the draft. After the early free agency period and the draft you are pretty much stuck with what you have, because most players available after that will not do much to correct a deficiency. If a problem occurs with your roster after that, you petty much have to muddle through the best you can.

the extent of Harrell's injury, Jollies problems, KGB not responding well to surgery all came up after Williams was traded and too late to do much to "fix" it. The in season injuries to Jenkins, Picket, Thompson, Montgomery, Hunter were well after the Packers were stuck with who they had.

By the time training camp rolled around, I am sure TT knew, as did everyone else, that the D-line could be a problem, but there was not a lot that could be done at that time to fix it.

[Patler]

I'm less worried about that then the fact we made ZERO defensive adjustments.

That, and they seemed ill-prepared to handle what the Saints did to start out with. The defense provided little resistance for the entire game.

[sharpe1027]

blah blah blah

after every loss, lets fire TT, after ever win, god we're awesome.

Yes, we have DL issues. I'm sure we'll address it in the offseason.

I'm less worried about that then the fact we made ZERO defensive adjustments.

This. Where were the blitzes? Im not saying all the time but if you aren't getting a pass rush with your 4, you bring 5 and 6. Sanders is an idiot.

Agreed with ND.

CPK, they blitzed alot early and got burned more times that not. This game might be the most I've seen them blitz all year.

[cheesner]

So it's his fault Cullen got hurt, KGB got old, and Corey Williams wanted a ridiculous amount of money?

I'm not going to pardon Ted here, our DL is crap, but it's not like he dismantled it through FA or cuts or anything like that. The passage of time and injuries have lead us to where we are now and hopefully over time some picks will develop.

Right. I'm not there yet, but if we go into next year with these guys, there is no excuse.

In the last 2 years I have heard this same thing said about the WRs and the Safeties. Those both worked out rather well. TT has been good about being dynamic. He doesn't sit with anyone who is 'good enough'. If he has an opportunity in the draft or FA, he will make the move. If there are no decent upgrades at appropriate prices, he won't.

[sharpe1027]

This is the first game that I felt the Packers were just out-matched man-for-man and that includes the Tennesse game. Most every other game the Packer's beat themselves with too many stupid mistakes, IMHO. I don't know what the deal is, but last year they were a much cleaner executing team.

[cpk1994]

blah blah blah

after every loss, lets fire TT, after ever win, god we're awesome.

Yes, we have DL issues. I'm sure we'll address it in the offseason.

I'm less worried about that then the fact we made ZERO defensive adjustments.

This. Where were the blitzes? Im not saying all the time but if you aren't getting a pass rush with your 4, you bring 5 and 6. Sanders is an idiot.

Agreed with ND.

CPK, they blitzed alot early and got burned more times that not. This game might be the most I've seen them blitz all year.

OK, I missed the first half. But were they Snaders patented blitzing of players from 25 yards away?

[Bossman641]

blah blah blah

after every loss, lets fire TT, after ever win, god we're awesome.

Yes, we have DL issues. I'm sure we'll address it in the offseason.

I'm less worried about that then the fact we made ZERO defensive adjustments.

I sure hope there is a "change" in the D co-ordinator next year.. Too late to change this year.

Singletary may be available!!

I'd like Ron Rivera, but I'm not sure he would make a lateral move now that he has been promoted to DC with the Chargers. I always admired the way he seemed to always have that Bear defense ready to go.

[denverYooper]

blah blah blah

after every loss, lets fire TT, after ever win, god we're awesome.

Yes, we have DL issues. I'm sure we'll address it in the offseason.

I'm less worried about that then the fact we made ZERO defensive adjustments.

This. Where were the blitzes? Im not saying all the time but if you aren't getting a pass rush with your 4, you bring 5 and 6. Sanders is an idiot.

Agreed with ND.

CPK, they blitzed alot early and got burned more times that not. This game might be the most I've seen them blitz all year.

Like the corner blitz on the first 70 yard TD? I've never been a big fan of bringing Chuck in a blitz... the risk vs. reward there has never seemed like a worthwhile gamble. Especially against a good QB.

Nothin' like some Tuesday morning quarterbacking.

[sharpe1027]

OK, I missed the first half. But were they Snaders patented blitzing of players from 25 yards away?

I saw a lot of different blitzes, corner blitzes from on the line. LB blitzes up the middle and off the edge, delayed blitzes. Some worked, others did not. Most people want blitzes because they like big plays, unfortunately, they usually do not factor in the big plays that are often given up from the blitzing.

I think they know that Brees would pick them apart if given time and that they couldn't get pressure from their front four. So they blitzed, and got burned anyway.

Maybe if the blitzed more they would have gotten another sack, or course they may also have given up 70 points. Maybe if the blitzed less they would have only given up 40 points, maybe not. It aint as simple as blitz more.

If Woodson picks off the pass early, maybe that makes NO a little more cautious about throwing his way. Maybe the Pack puts together a nice drive from there and keeps Brees off the field that much longer. Maybe, but probably not.