TT will get haynesworth

[RashanGary]

8 years, 100 million with 30 mil in the first year is my guess at his contract.

Is he worth that?


Several teams are getting tight on cap space again. Maybe it stays down a little but this will be the best UFA to hit the market maybe since Reggie White. It should be a blockbuster.

[Rastak]

8 years, 100 million with 30 mil in the first year is my guess at his contract.

Is he worth that?


Several teams are getting tight on cap space again. Maybe it stays down a little but this will be the best UFA to hit the market maybe since Reggie White. It should be a blockbuster.

No cap in 2010.

[RashanGary]

No cap in 2010.

Rastak, if it gets to that, that means the owners are done agreeing to the level of profit sharing, probably a strike and whenever shit gets in order your team (along with Arizona, Buffalo, Cinci and a few others) will be obsolete. The Packers will have trouble, but not nearly as the bottom 5 revenue teams. I enjoy football, but I'll honestly consider not watching if the league is not on a somewhat even playing field for each team. As far as that relates to this, I really don't think teams should be spending with that day in mind because the stuff that will go down along with it will be disasterous to the league and if they're not one of the few rich teams they will have even less than they do now. If anything it will lessen the competition because the poor teams will be affraid to spend and the rich teams are mostly against the cap right now so they'll have a hard time getting the dollars high enough early for Hayensworth to sign. The more I think about it, we might have an even better chance with Tennesee being poor as fuck and maybe afraid to spend with profit sharing possibly changing dramatically (taking away most of their money).

[Rastak]

No cap in 2010.

Rastak, if it gets to that, that means the owners are done agreeing to the level of profit sharing, probably a strike and whenever shit gets in order your team (along with Arizona, Buffalo, Cinci and a few others) will be obsolete. The Packers will have trouble, but not nearly as the bottom 5 revenue teams. I enjoy football, but I'll honestly consider not watching if the league is not on a somewhat even playing field for each team. As far as that relates to this, I really don't think teams should be spending with that day in mind because the stuff that will go down along with it will be disasterous to the league and if they're not one of the few rich teams they will have even less than they do now. If anything it will lessen the competition because the poor teams will be affraid to spend and the rich teams are mostly against the cap right now so they'll have a hard time getting the dollars high enough.

I am absolutely with you. The cap and the way it's structured at least maintains some balance in the league. I have zero interest in american football turning into baseball.

But that having been said, unless the CBA is re-negotiated in the next year there is no cap in 2010. Teams would be stupid to ignore this fact.

[MJZiggy]

On the flipside of that, though, is the fact that the cap could wind up renegotiated. If that happens, some teams could have re-run themselves right back into cap hell.

[Rastak]

On the flipside of that, though, is the fact that the cap could wind up renegotiated. If that happens, some teams could have re-run themselves right back into cap hell.

That's very possible Zig. I can't imagine in the end there wouldn't be a cap unless there were some really restrictive tags created.

I do know this, usually things don't go down (unless it's the stock market) so I would guess the cap isn't going to shrink.

[MJZiggy]

Isn't the cap based on revenue? If so and the pocket-tightening I'm hearing about is real, then it is possible that it would go down slightly or hold flat. Could get interesting. Not as interesting as Plaxico landing in jail for shooting his own stupid leg, but interesting nonetheless.

[Rastak]

Isn't the cap based on revenue? If so and the pocket-tightening I'm hearing about is real, then it is possible that it would go down slightly or hold flat. Could get interesting. Not as interesting as Plaxico landing in jail for shooting his own stupid leg, but interesting nonetheless.

It is now, but who knows what the future tie in is?


I hope the NFLPA gets a realist as head. Times are hard, they better realize that.

[RashanGary]

It's tough to bring everyone together. In order to keep salaries high and an even playing field that means the rich owners have to give money to the poor so the poor can spend.

The NFLPA wants the most money possible. In order to get that there either has to be no cap (where the rich spend it all on their own) or sharing (where the rich give to the poor to spend). They'll settle for either without a strike.

The commish wants what is best for the league as a whole. The smaller teams want a lot of sharing. The bigger teams are sick of giving their money away to see teams like Arizon and Minnesota now spending like drunken sailors and not bringing in dough. It's going to be a big bloody fight.

To me, I wouldn't mind a compromise where they lessen sharing a little and raise the cap a little. This way the poor teams won't be able to afford quite as much as the Cowboys and Redskins but it won't be out of hand either. There will be a cap. This keeps the rich happy because they do get to benefit from their more successfull financial status and the poor teams should be happy because they're still getting sharing and it's still somewhat fair.

[DonHutson]

It would actually be smarter than the Reggie deal. The Minister of Defense was around 32 or 33 when he signed with the Pack AH would be 28. That's 4 years of prime, top-of-his-game play that the Pack would get that we never got to see from Reggie.

Character is a factor though, too. There's no such thing as a 'sure thing' but Reggie was the closest guy to it. There was virtually no chance of Reggie coasting after he got the money. I don't think Haynesworth brings the franchise shifting leadership that Reggie brought. Who could?

I would be a little more nervous about Haynesworth. I believe he had a rap for being a little lazy in college and his first couple years in the pros. Maybe he turned it around. Maybe he saw payday was coming.

I'm not saying I wouldn't sign him, but I think he's a much bigger gamble than Reggie.

[Patler]

Have you all forgotten??? Haynesworth was almost released by the Titans in 2006.

He stomped on the head of a Cowboy lineman who I believe had lost his helmet and then kicked him in the face, sending the player to a plastic surgeon. This was his third such incident, once in college when he came looking for a team mate with a pole, and once in practice with the Titans when he also kicked an O-lineman in the head. After the Cowboy's incident, the NFL suspended Haynesworth for 5 games, and Fisher made his infamous comment about maybe not ever letting him back into the Titan's locker room, saying he was sickened by Haynesworth's actions. Haynesworth's explanation? Something to the effect that he was doing what the Titans paid him to do, kill anyone who got in his way.

Doesn't sound too Reggie White-like to me.

Maybe the guy has matured, and has learned, but maybe not, too. There would be risk in signing him, as the Cowboy incident was just two years ago.

[Noodle]

I haven't forgotten the cowboy incident, but the guy has been squared away since then. From stuff I read, he's turned a corner in his maturity, and he is without question a high-effort guy.

Have you forgotten how he chased after Jennings in the game against the Titans? A friggin DT, and he was flat out flying trying to get at Jennings. The dude is all that.

He's getting serious consideration for league MVP for cryin' out loud, and Reggie never got that. As I recall, we paid our last league MVP around 10 to 12 percent of our cap. Just something to consider, that's all.

[Patler]

I haven't forgotten the cowboy incident, but the guy has been squared away since then. From stuff I read, he's turned a corner in his maturity, and he is without question a high-effort guy.

Have you forgotten how he chased after Jennings in the game against the Titans? A friggin DT, and he was flat out flying trying to get at Jennings. The dude is all that.

He's getting serious consideration for league MVP for cryin' out loud, and Reggie never got that. As I recall, we paid our last league MVP around 10 to 12 percent of our cap. Just something to consider, that's all.

I said maybe he has matured, but you have to admit that a guy who has exhibited an uncontrollable and violent temper over a 10 year period is not without risks, especially since his last incident was not that long ago. Physically, he is a very gifted and talented player, may never have another incident, etc. But when he excuses his conduct with the things he said just two years ago, expecting him to provide the locker room leadership that White did is a dream. It is more likely he is one who needs a strong leadership influence to keep him on the right path.

[Noodle]

I'm not saying he would provide the leadership White did -- no one, not even Favre, was close to Reggie as a team leader in the post-Lombardi era.

But if today's game doesn't make you salivate at the thought of AH shoring up the middle of the line, then I question your love of this team. And of this country.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I'm not saying he would provide the leadership White did -- no one, not even Favre, was close to Reggie as a team leader in the post-Lombardi era.

But if today's game doesn't make you salivate at the thought of AH shoring up the middle of the line, then I question your love of this team. And of this country.

God I miss Reggie White, I still remember shaking his hand as a kid and being on cloud 9.