TT will get haynesworth

[RashanGary]

I'd take Peppers over Haynesworth 8 days a week.

Peppers is getting Franchised though, so that's irrelevant.

I'd gladly send a first and a second for Peppers

But if Haynesworth and Peppers cost the same in terms of salary (tag number for DEs is $14m-$17m), and Peppers will cost you a first and a second and Haynesworth costs you no draft picks, that's a tough pill to swallow even if you greatly prefer the DE to the DT here. I mean, it's not like Haynesworth wouldn't help this team.

Why does everyone assume he isn't going to be franchised? Titans GM isn't that dumb.

I believe there are 5 clauses and if any one of them is met the Titans agreed to not franchise AH. They did this to prevent him from getting pissed off at being franchised this year so he knew he just had one more year and he's be open.

One of the clauses is making the probowl. He's as good as gone because that is all but certain.

[Lurker64]

Why does everyone assume he isn't going to be franchised? Titans GM isn't that dumb.

As part of the one year deal Haynesworth made after being franchised in 2008 there was language that said he could not be franchised in 2009 if he meets certain playing incentives. I believe he is well on his way to meeting them, if he has not already. So the Titans cannot franchise him for the 2009 season, which is why they won't.

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Well, my guess is AH is a Titan next year.

[Lurker64]

Well, my guess is AH is a Titan next year.

It's pretty unlikely. They're not allowed to negotiate with him until the season is over (so six weeks before free agency starts) and that close he's going to want to test the waters. Plus Tennessee Titans GM Mike Reinfeldt is even more hesitant to spend money than the tightwad we have in charge, so they're simply not going to get in a bidding war.

The Titans will try to sign him during the six week window they have, but if he hits Free Agency he's gone. I imagine that the curiosity of his market price and the insistance of his agent will get him into FA.

[Guiness]

If I remember correctly we had the highest offer to both Lavar Arrington and Adam Vinitiari but Arrington wanted to stay in his division and Vinitiari wanted to play indoors. There were numerous others that they had in for visits but didn't get deals done for one reason or another. People can complain that he hasn't been aggressive enough in contract negotiations but despite what many think, TT has been active.

The Arrington thing is almost funny. IIRC he wanted to stay in his division so he could stop the Redskins twice a year.

That didn't work out so well for him...

[Guiness]

The Titans will try to sign him during the six week window they have, but if he hits Free Agency he's gone. I imagine that the curiosity of his market price and the insistance of his agent will get him into FA.

Why can't they negotiate during the season?

If he makes it to the end of the season uninjured, there's no way he doesn't go to free agency. At that point, all he has to do is sit on his butt and wait for the money to roll in. Only way to interest him would be if they signed him during the year, because anyone can have a career ending injury on any play in the NFL.

[RashanGary]

Why can't they negotiate during the season?

There is a date, sometime shortly after we extended Rodgers, that teams cannot resign a deal that money would go on this years cap. Essentially the first money he would get that would be guaranteed would be after the season. Signing anything now wouldn't make sense to AH unless he wnats to give up on UFA and not be guaranteed if he gets injured anyway (similar to Jwalks fugazi deal in Denver where everyone thought he pulled one over but he didn't get shit until his UFA year anyway). He might as well wait and let the bidding war begin. They let him get here (porbably because of the head stomping incident).

He's going to be the biggest free agent since Reggie White. This is a very unique situation.

[Guiness]

Why can't they negotiate during the season?

There is a date, sometime shortly after we extended Rodgers, that teams cannot resign a deal that money would go on this years cap. Essentially the first money he would get that would be guaranteed would be after the season. Signing anything now wouldn't make sense to AH unless he wnats to give up on UFA and not be guaranteed if he gets injured anyway (similar to Jwalks fugazi deal in Denver where everyone thought he pulled one over but he didn't get shit until his UFA year anyway). He might as well wait and let the bidding war begin. They let him get here (porbably because of the head stomping incident).

He's going to be the biggest free agent since Reggie White.

Ok, that makes sense. They could've negotiated early in the season, but it's too late now.

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He can still be signed just money from this years cap can't be used. With a team like the Titans, they likely have 6-7 games left. That is plenty of time to get hurt. I would not be at all surprised to see a contract announced in the next week or two.

[RashanGary]

He can still be signed just money from this years cap can't be used. With a team like the Titans, they likely have 6-7 games left. That is plenty of time to get hurt. I would not be at all surprised to see a contract announced in the next week or two.

In order to guarantee money at all, at least some of it would have to go on this years cap. Any roster bonus for next year would not be guaranteed as it's a bonus if he's still on the roster next year (they can cut him if he's injured and not pay it so he has zero security).

Whether he signs it today or when the season is over makes no difference. If he signs it today he does relinquish his rights to free agency but he's not guranteed any money if he gets hurt. He gives up something but gets nothing.

Hopefully that makes sense. The bottom line is that he won't get anything if he signs today so he might as well wait and let the bidding war dictate the price. It's unique for a player of his stature in his prime to get to this point. I think the Packers are one of the teams that need him most and can afford him most. We should be in it.

If he wanted to show loyalty and they really wanted him they could negotatate an extremely high contract (with the threat of free agency driving up the price) before free agency but for it to get to this piont it just shows they are not willing to give him that type of commitment. Plus, by forcing him to risk it all for another year, I'm sure he feels he has to do what's best for him as they didn't worry about him and simply did what was best for them. Good will should be lost at this point. I think all signs point to him hitting UFA.

[RashanGary]

I'd give him the same contract Jared Allen got (without the draft picks of course).

[3irty1]

Who has the money and the need for a guy like Haynesworth besides us should he hit the market?

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His signing bonus is still guaranteed and would count against next years cap. Doh!

[bobblehead]

Who has the money and the need for a guy like Haynesworth besides us should he hit the market?

think about what you just asked. who needs a dominant pass rushing DT in his prime. I can only think of 31 teams besides us. Who has the money?? Hard to say, but we do.

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This guy has performed for two years now. Both contract years. I'd bet he goes back to face stomping and being lazy after getting his deal.