Al's Paraniod

[packers11]

That is an extremely good observation pack4to84... I know he is pretty bad at zone, but im surprised the coaching staff hasn't tried to help him out a bit...

This team does have the best man-to-man corners, but they do indeed need to mix it up, if this is the case, it is more likley he won't be in a GB uniform.

Shouldn't it be the coaches job though to make sure he adjusts and learns the zone scheme just as well...

[Partial]

I am not concerned about these statements. I also don't think Al is going anywhere. If any of our problems this year where caused by him then I might think different but Al has been great. Why on earth would we get rid of one of our most consistent players when consistency is clearly a big problem with this team? It makes no sense. If his contract was ridiculous, that would be one thing but I don't think that's the case.

This is very different from KGB and Favre. KGB couldn't produce anymore. He had a large contract. Put the two together and you have one of the sad realities of the NFL. No matter how great of a guy KGB is in the locker room and the community, you have to make the business decision to move on. If Al retires and unretires a couple times this offseason then we can compare his to Favre's situation but even then, its a different situation when you're talking about a QB (only one plays and the rest ride the pine) and a CB (usually 4 play extensively). There is plenty of room on the roster for Wood, T-Will and Al.

Besides, I like the fact that the veterans can't sit back in a "country club" like atmosphere. Why shouldn't they have to work as hard as they young guys? At 5-6 nobody should be safe. If you're not performing, you'd better fix it or you will be gone for someone younger. But, like I said, there has been no problem with Al's performance.

Gotta be curious if Al's statements reflect how he feels GB has treated the vets. If it is I don't agree with Al's message....but still have to wonder

Well, to be fair, they have treated vets very poorly. They sent Favre packing obviously, they forced a very capable long snapper into retirement, haven't offered extensions to steady Mark Tauscher and Chad Clifton, etc.

[DonHutson]

My brother told me not to say anything because he was afraid that other teams might check out this forum for insight.

That might pass for scouting in Detroit (along with a few select phone calls), but I highly doubt professional teams have the time or inclination to monitor this or any other fan forum. There's nothing here they can't learn on film or out of the media other than our opinions. I suspect those are valuable only to ourselves.

[Brando19]

Makes me wonder what he's heard that he's not saying. Maybe he hasn't heard anything straight from the horse's ass, I mean mouth...but maybe he's heard something from Ted's messengers. I hope he stays for another year or two.

[ThunderDan]

I am not concerned about these statements. I also don't think Al is going anywhere. If any of our problems this year where caused by him then I might think different but Al has been great. Why on earth would we get rid of one of our most consistent players when consistency is clearly a big problem with this team? It makes no sense. If his contract was ridiculous, that would be one thing but I don't think that's the case.

This is very different from KGB and Favre. KGB couldn't produce anymore. He had a large contract. Put the two together and you have one of the sad realities of the NFL. No matter how great of a guy KGB is in the locker room and the community, you have to make the business decision to move on. If Al retires and unretires a couple times this offseason then we can compare his to Favre's situation but even then, its a different situation when you're talking about a QB (only one plays and the rest ride the pine) and a CB (usually 4 play extensively). There is plenty of room on the roster for Wood, T-Will and Al.

Besides, I like the fact that the veterans can't sit back in a "country club" like atmosphere. Why shouldn't they have to work as hard as they young guys? At 5-6 nobody should be safe. If you're not performing, you'd better fix it or you will be gone for someone younger. But, like I said, there has been no problem with Al's performance.

Gotta be curious if Al's statements reflect how he feels GB has treated the vets. If it is I don't agree with Al's message....but still have to wonder

Well, to be fair, they have treated vets very poorly. They sent Favre packing obviously, they forced a very capable long snapper into retirement, haven't offered extensions to steady Mark Tauscher and Chad Clifton, etc.

I think the Favre situation was an anomoly. I don't think TT has treated other vets poorly.

The way Clifton and Tauscher have played this year, especially Clifton, I don't know if you do extend them.

[Tarlam!]

Any way you try and spin this, Al's public comments are remarkable and puzzling.

He's always seemed to be a team first player. He welcomed Wood with open arms. He was, seemingly, genuinely happy with the performance of his injury replacement, but added the caveat he was still better. So, he seemed confident enough.

I just don't get this at all.

[Rastak]

My brother told me not to say anything because he was afraid that other teams might check out this forum for insight.

That might pass for scouting in Detroit (along with a few select phone calls), but I highly doubt professional teams have the time or inclination to monitor this or any other fan forum. There's nothing here they can't learn on film or out of the media other than our opinions. I suspect those are valuable only to ourselves.

Most teams find it much easier and quicker to just read internet forums than break down film when looking for tendencies.




Pack4to84, if you ever find yourself in a squabble with your bro, I'd throw this one in his face every time.

[wist43]

Don't know how anyone can blame Harris for thinking that... TT has been around long enough to see his MO.

Don't know if Harris will be shown the door or not, but it's pretty obvious that TT couldn't care less about keeping a vet when there is a pool 836 draft picks to pluck a cheap guy from.

[bobblehead]

Don't know how anyone can blame Harris for thinking that... TT has been around long enough to see his MO.

Don't know if Harris will be shown the door or not, but it's pretty obvious that TT couldn't care less about keeping a vet when there is a pool 836 draft picks to pluck a cheap guy from.

Again, evidence please. What 30 year old who had more than one good season left has TT cut loose? Please, enlighten me with all the names. Show me all those great players who he cut lose that went on to great success with other teams. So far we have BF playing well with the jets (although still leading the NFL in picks). Even the one I wanted, Wahle, was so dominant he got cut by the team that signed him after us.

[wist43]

Wahle, Favre, Williams, Walker... off the top of my head.

It isn't even so much guys he doesn't keep on the roster... the guys he has signed out of FA came on board b/c there was pretty much no interest in them elsewhere in the league. The fact that Woodson and Pickett worked out is immaterial.

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.

[bobblehead]

Wahle, Favre, Williams, Walker... off the top of my head.

It isn't even so much guys he doesn't keep on the roster... the guys he has signed out of FA came on board b/c there was pretty much no interest in them elsewhere in the league. The fact that Woodson and Pickett worked out is immaterial.

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.

Again, Favre is playing ok, but he probably only has this season left. And even if he doesn't, did we really want to go thru that again next season?? Wahle was so good he got cut after he left us. Walker flat out has stank since he be gone. Williams has been a 6 million dollar disappointment in cleveland. (although I would be interested in what WE offered him midway thru last season to see if TT tried to keep him). He was an inside pass rush specialist that got big time starter money....not much we could do , but recover a 2nd for him.

Woodson, Pickett, Chillar, Kuhn, Bigby, Tramon Williams, and Ruvell Martin ALL worked out pretty well, and only Woodson cost an arm and a leg. TT is not in the habit of handing Joe Johnson HUGE money....thank GOD!!

[cpk1994]

Wahle, Favre, Williams, Walker... off the top of my head.

It isn't even so much guys he doesn't keep on the roster... the guys he has signed out of FA came on board b/c there was pretty much no interest in them elsewhere in the league. The fact that Woodson and Pickett worked out is immaterial.

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.

YOu are using Walker to make your argument? Seriously? Walker has done absolutely nothing since leaving and his career is basically over. Williams? Seriously? What exactly has he done in Cleveland? USing those two to make your argument is so weak it ain't even funny. Your hatred of TT really makes you look stupid.

EDIT: Also, if TT is only about younger guys, why did Donald Driver get an extension?

[DonHutson]

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.

It's a young man's game.

[Bretsky]

Wahle, Favre, Williams, Walker... off the top of my head.

It isn't even so much guys he doesn't keep on the roster... the guys he has signed out of FA came on board b/c there was pretty much no interest in them elsewhere in the league. The fact that Woodson and Pickett worked out is immaterial.

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.

Gotta have Darren Sharper in here. Don't think I'd put Javon in there.

[prsnfoto]

Wahle, Favre, Williams, Walker... off the top of my head.

It isn't even so much guys he doesn't keep on the roster... the guys he has signed out of FA came on board b/c there was pretty much no interest in them elsewhere in the league. The fact that Woodson and Pickett worked out is immaterial.

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.

YOu are using Walker to make your argument? Seriously? Walker has done absolutely nothing since leaving and his career is basically over. Williams? Seriously? What exactly has he done in Cleveland? USing those two to make your argument is so weak it ain't even funny. Your hatred of TT really makes you look stupid.

EDIT: Also, if TT is only about younger guys, why did Donald Driver get an extension?

Williams has played well the games I have watched but hey the team sucks how are you gonna get noticed but he is 5 times the player Harrell is course that only makes him average. Driver got a few million up front for his extension he ain't ever gonna see those 7 and 8 million dollar years it was a nice gesture from TT but he didn't shower him with love, same with Al's deal if I remember right he got some up front but I think he is kinda cheap at the end like 3-4 million a year TT would be a fucking idiot to cut him over that but then again I think he is a stupid motherfucker and agree wist.