Could the Packers use help at every position?

[RashanGary]

Are these guys replacable?

Pettway, Hunter, Montgomery

Cole, Harrell

Chillar, Poppinga, Lansanah

Peprah

Bush, Blackmon

Wynn

Kuhn or Hall

J Finley, T Humphrey

Ruvell Martin

Giacomini, Wells, Clifton, Moll, Barbre



This is something like 40% of the roster that isn't very good.



With the exception of QB (where we have a good starter and two promising prospects) you would think it would be pretty easy to add players across the entire roster. Everyone wants fewer picks this year, but why? Our roster isn't really all that good from top to bottom. It's better than it was a few years ago, but it has a ways to go. I would be OK with another 10 draft picks. Maybe 7 of them would utlimately make the team, but we could definitly use some fresh blood, esspecially on the DL.

[MJZiggy]

Even without the obvious logic that you don't get a whole roster of superstars, some of the folk you listed are more valuable to the team than you'd suspect. Martin is the only big "let em go up and get it" receiver we have. The rest of the guys are not so tall. What's wrong with Chillar? Blackmon is turning into a very decent returner.

A lot of the rest of the guys you list are backups and you're just not going to have star quality backups. If they're that good, they will move on and start elsewhere if they can't take the job here. Why not go after a few stars rather than a lot of guys?

[Bretsky]

Re: Could the Packers use help at every position?

Are these guys replacable?

Pettway, Hunter, Montgomery

Cole, Harrell

Chillar, Poppinga, Lansanah

Peprah

Bush, Blackmon

Wynn

Kuhn or Hall

J Finley, T Humphrey

Ruvell Martin

Giacomini, Wells, Clifton, Moll, Barbre



This is something like 40% of the roster that isn't very good.



With the exception of QB (where we have a good starter and two promising prospects) you would think it would be pretty easy to add players across the entire roster. Everyone wants fewer picks this year, but why? Our roster isn't really all that good from top to bottom. It's better than it was a few years ago, but it has a ways to go. I would be OK with another 10 draft picks. Maybe 7 of them would utlimately make the team, but we could definitly use some fresh blood, esspecially on the DL.

I have no problem with the adding of picks as long as it doesn't result in backups constantly displacing backups. More important to hit on the higher picks since normally they are most likely to become starters I'd guess.

If you utilize free agency a bit more aggressivly maybe the strategy of pick accumulation becomes better. Of the guys you list Chillar does jump out to me as a gamer. Cole is a solid "last" DL in the rotation but not much more. Some of those guys could easily be replaced and cut as well.

I honestly see your point as well as Wist's views that by doing this TT just keeps reloading the bottom quarter of the roster. I probably don't have a view yet on who is right.

[RashanGary]

You take more players and you have more chances at stars. Jennings was just a 2nd round pick, one nobody knew of before the draft and oen many complained about. He was just one of many, but he turned out to be a star. Grant was a low key last minute trade that might have been a roster cut. He was just one of many low key moves but turned out to be a star. Kampman the same.

We have a better chance of hitting a star with mroe picks than with less. Look, TT had options to trade back with Harrell but he stuck with the higher pick and that didn't pan out very well. People make the mistake of thinking more picks means less quality. I think more picks is more chances at quality because it's such a crap shoot. On top of that, you can get rid of low potential duds at the back of the roster too. It's not even a give/take. It's take/take. Best of both worlds.



On a side note, Everette Brown, DE from FSU would be a great pick for our defense. He's a stud. I'm sure he'll move up into the top 10, just so we can't get him.

[Bretsky]

You take more players and you have more chances at stars. Jennings was just a 2nd round pick, one nobody knew of before the draft and oen many complained about. He was just one of many, but he turned out to be a star. Grant was a low key last minute trade that might have been a roster cut. He was just one of many low key moves but turned out to be a star. Kampman the same.

We have a better chance of hitting a star with mroe picks than with less. Look, TT had options to trade back with Harrell but he stuck with the higher pick and that didn't pan out very well.



On a side note, Everette Brown, DE from FSU would be a great pick for our defense. He's a stud. I'm sure he'll move up into the top 10, just so we can't get him.

Maybe TT should move up in round one ? Harell, I don't think, excited many in here.

But along with more depth this team could really use another stud on the defeinsive side. I like the idea of moving up in round one if there is a guy you think can be a star. Of course much will depend on what we do these last four games.

TT has accumulated a ton of picks the past few years. Jennings is clearly a hit. But hard to name any guy from four on who really sticks out so far. Kampman was a Sherman guy; I think he even might have traded up for him but not positive about that.

As far as those 6th and 7th rounders, I'd be fine with TT trading one a year to get a serviceable players. So far none that I can remember seem to be doing much for Green Bay.

[Bretsky]

BTW, GOOD THREAD IDEA

[RashanGary]

BTW, GOOD THREAD IDEA

With the way the shitty season is playing out, I'm looking ahead. Losing Favre hurt us a little and the DL absolutely crumbled. I have zero hope for this team, with this DL. Less than zero acctually. We have some solid things in place so it's not as grim as 2005, but I've given up on the season all the same.

[Bretsky]

BTW, GOOD THREAD IDEA

With the way the shitty season is playing out, I'm looking ahead. Losing Favre hurt us a little and the DL absolutely crumbled. I have zero hope for this team, with this DL. Less than zero acctually. We have some solid things in place so it's not as grim as 2005, but I've given up on the season all the same.

Actually I have as well; again for me it's about winning championships so I gave up on this year sooner than you. It's easier to accept losses when you kick back and just look toward the future.

[Noodle]

Re: Could the Packers use help at every position?

I have no problem with the adding of picks as long as it doesn't result in backups constantly displacing backups. More important to hit on the higher picks since normally they are most likely to become starters I'd guess.

I think this is an important point. We get romanced by the idea of some 5th or 6th rounder becoming an HoFer, but that hardly ever happens. Yeah, I know about DD, but the best guy TT ever drafted was a 2nd rounder (Jenkins), and maybe eventually it will prove to be a 1st rounder (A-Rod).

It makes no sense to load up with picks in the middle to bottom of the draft unless that's where you plan to finish in your division.

[RashanGary]

Actually I have as well; again for me it's about winning championships so I gave up on this year sooner than you. It's easier to accept losses when you kick back and just look toward the future.

Haha, you're even more "don't give a shit" than me now

I give a shit. I just know it's impossible to win the big one every year so I sort of take a bigger picture look at it. I try to see if things are on the way up and if we should have chances at SB's for many years. I just think the odds are better if you have a perennially good team rather than a one shot, blow your load explosion of free agents that give you one short term shot that isn't very likely to hit anyway. Really, if the stars aligned this year and Jenkins didn't get hurt I think we would have been competitive to the end. We have to bring in more talent on the DL, but this team does have a chance every year.

[ThunderDan]

Re: Could the Packers use help at every position?

Are these guys replacable?

Pettway, Hunter, Montgomery

Cole, Harrell

Chillar, Poppinga, Lansanah

Peprah

Bush, Blackmon

Wynn

Kuhn or Hall

J Finley, T Humphrey

Ruvell Martin

Giacomini, Wells, Clifton, Moll, Barbre



This is something like 40% of the roster that isn't very good.



With the exception of QB (where we have a good starter and two promising prospects) you would think it would be pretty easy to add players across the entire roster. Everyone wants fewer picks this year, but why? Our roster isn't really all that good from top to bottom. It's better than it was a few years ago, but it has a ways to go. I would be OK with another 10 draft picks. Maybe 7 of them would utlimately make the team, but we could definitly use some fresh blood, esspecially on the DL.

Sure, in a perfect world!

At best we will have 10 or so draft picks. So if we let those guys go we can't even fill our roster unless we signed all the mid-level FA available. Are there that many players available at those positions that would be upgrades from what we have?

My thoughts on the subject is you need to have one good to great player drafted every year. And then you need to find 3 to 4 solid players in the draft who can play and aren't studs. If you can do this consistantly you are a playoff caliber team. Throw in a critical FA signing every once in a while and you go to the SuperBowl.

[denverYooper]

I've been pleasantly surprised by the FBs.

[sheepshead]

I guess i'm not following this thread. Every team has back ups. Hell I was one in high school. Are you saying we need better back ups? a deeper bench? or did you just lop off the bottom 3rd of the roster and crucify them?

[Brando19]

I guess i'm not following this thread. Every team has back ups. Hell I was one in high school. Are you saying we need better back ups? a deeper bench? or did you just lop off the bottom 3rd of the roster and crucify them?

Are you saying you're as good as Blackmon and Bush?

[Partial]

I guess i'm not following this thread. Every team has back ups. Hell I was one in high school. Are you saying we need better back ups? a deeper bench? or did you just lop off the bottom 3rd of the roster and crucify them?

What he did was take our "incredibly deep" team from last year, and blame the back-ups for the skill players lack of performance this year. Has it ever occured to you that the offense is struggling because they got rid of their best offensive starter and mvp candidate for a rookie?

The problem is NOT the depth of the team. We're as deep and talented as anybody. It's our league worst offense on 3rd down, which is a direct result of our poor quarterback play, which leads to the defense being the field more, which leads to exhaustion, and which leads to them not being able to stop the run.

Duh.