Could the Packers use help at every position?

[sheepshead]

He excluded the quarterback position.

[RashanGary]

The problem is NOT the depth of the team. We're as deep and talented as anybody. It's our league worst offense on 3rd down, which is a direct result of our poor quarterback play, which leads to the defense being the field more, which leads to exhaustion, and which leads to them not being able to stop the run.

Duh.

What was the defenses problem in the first half of hte Saints game where our offense had the ball for 18:30 to their 11:30 yet the Saints scored on every drive, while we were fresh. Then came back in the 2nd half, having only been on the field for 11:30 in the first and again let teh Saints score just about every time. Did they punt at all?

If you want to believe this, you're just ignoring reality, Partial. Losing Favre is a part of our problem, but the defensive problems have very little to do with that. As of right now we're 11th in time of possession on offense and 15th in yards. That takes away the exhaustion excuse from our 22nd ranked defense.

The Packers are what they are, an average team with a slightly above average offense and slightly below average defense, not the other way around.

[RashanGary]

I guess I figured the the lower part of the roster would turn over and the starters would move to backups eventually.


Poppinga, Chillar, Bigby, Montgomery, Jolly, Clifton, Wells, Donald Lee could all be upgraded and that would push the lowest guys off the ladder in many cases. Then you have a few aging guys like Pickett, Clifton, Tauscher, Harris and Woodson that will need to eventually be replaced. This team will benefit by getting better 1-53. We don't have even 40 good players so adding 10 should be pretty helpfull. If people can't imagine how improving the roster would improve the team and see how it would trickle down without some sort of explaination, who am I to try to fix that? There is really not much I can do for you if you don't get it on your own, sheep.

[Partial]

The problem is NOT the depth of the team. We're as deep and talented as anybody. It's our league worst offense on 3rd down, which is a direct result of our poor quarterback play, which leads to the defense being the field more, which leads to exhaustion, and which leads to them not being able to stop the run.

Duh.

What was the defenses problem in the first half of hte Saints game where our offense had the ball for 18:30 to their 11:30 yet the Saints scored on every drive, while we were fresh. Then came back in the 2nd half, having only been on the field for 11:30 in the first and again let teh Saints score just about every time. Did they punt at all?

If you want to believe this, you're just ignoring reality, Partial. Losing Favre is a part of our problem, but the defensive problems have very little to do with that. As of right now we're 11th in time of possession on offense and 15th in yards. That takes away the exhaustion excuse from our 22nd ranked defense.

The Packers are what they are, an average team with a slightly above average offense and slightly below average defense, not the other way around.

The Saints are a potent offense that was on fire. They would have done that against any team.

Time of posession isn't everything. Demoralizing drives suck the wind right out of our teams sails. Especially without any veteran leadership like Brett Favre to get the troops ready to go out and fight again.

We have top 5 talent in the league all around. The problem is TT has invested much of that talent in oft-injured players ( Harrell, Jenkins, Bigby, Collins ). Also, he traded away a playmaker and replaced him with just a guy. And at the most important position to top it off! That is a sure fire way to obtain mediocrity.

[RashanGary]

You can believe what you want, YOu just said they were exhausted because Favre is gone and I showed you they were not, now you say something completely different (when all real arguements fail it's always back to the defense and S/T's being emotionally demoralized iwthout Favre). Are we really having a debate or are you just there pounding that same little drum in a way that will make you feel better about yourself. For that matter, why attribuitng everything to Favre makes you feel good about yourself is also beyond me. That is a conversation for you and your psychiatrist that will probably lead to your father, abandonment syndrom and Brett being an emotional crutch for you. Let it go, Partial. I just toasted yoru arguement and you filled a new one in to make yourself feel better. Notice it, because it's embassing.

[sheepshead]

You're making a lot of assumptions and lots of blanket statements. Hard to comment on the whole idea. It just isn't plausible.

[MJZiggy]

The problem is NOT the depth of the team. We're as deep and talented as anybody. It's our league worst offense on 3rd down, which is a direct result of our poor quarterback play, which leads to the defense being the field more, which leads to exhaustion, and which leads to them not being able to stop the run.

Duh.

What was the defenses problem in the first half of hte Saints game where our offense had the ball for 18:30 to their 11:30 yet the Saints scored on every drive, while we were fresh. Then came back in the 2nd half, having only been on the field for 11:30 in the first and again let teh Saints score just about every time. Did they punt at all?

If you want to believe this, you're just ignoring reality, Partial. Losing Favre is a part of our problem, but the defensive problems have very little to do with that. As of right now we're 11th in time of possession on offense and 15th in yards. That takes away the exhaustion excuse from our 22nd ranked defense.

The Packers are what they are, an average team with a slightly above average offense and slightly below average defense, not the other way around.

The Saints are a potent offense that was on fire. They would have done that against any team.

Time of posession isn't everything. Demoralizing drives suck the wind right out of our teams sails. Especially without any veteran leadership like Brett Favre to get the troops ready to go out and fight again.

We have top 5 talent in the league all around. The problem is TT has invested much of that talent in oft-injured players ( Harrell, Jenkins, Bigby, Collins ). Also, he traded away a playmaker and replaced him with just a guy. And at the most important position to top it off! That is a sure fire way to obtain mediocrity.

Go look up the score from the last time the Favre exhibited his leadership in M&T Stadium. I'll save you the trouble. He got his ass blown out. Favre's damn good. He's not god and the fact that he's having a good season on another team has no bearing on OUR team. Last time he worked behind a porous line there were folks around here wanting his replacement. I wonder if you were one of them, P. Remember?

[Partial]

The problem is NOT the depth of the team. We're as deep and talented as anybody. It's our league worst offense on 3rd down, which is a direct result of our poor quarterback play, which leads to the defense being the field more, which leads to exhaustion, and which leads to them not being able to stop the run.

Duh.

What was the defenses problem in the first half of hte Saints game where our offense had the ball for 18:30 to their 11:30 yet the Saints scored on every drive, while we were fresh. Then came back in the 2nd half, having only been on the field for 11:30 in the first and again let teh Saints score just about every time. Did they punt at all?

If you want to believe this, you're just ignoring reality, Partial. Losing Favre is a part of our problem, but the defensive problems have very little to do with that. As of right now we're 11th in time of possession on offense and 15th in yards. That takes away the exhaustion excuse from our 22nd ranked defense.

The Packers are what they are, an average team with a slightly above average offense and slightly below average defense, not the other way around.

The Saints are a potent offense that was on fire. They would have done that against any team.

Time of posession isn't everything. Demoralizing drives suck the wind right out of our teams sails. Especially without any veteran leadership like Brett Favre to get the troops ready to go out and fight again.

We have top 5 talent in the league all around. The problem is TT has invested much of that talent in oft-injured players ( Harrell, Jenkins, Bigby, Collins ). Also, he traded away a playmaker and replaced him with just a guy. And at the most important position to top it off! That is a sure fire way to obtain mediocrity.

Go look up the score from the last time the Favre exhibited his leadership in M&T Stadium. I'll save you the trouble. He got his ass blown out. Favre's damn good. He's not god and the fact that he's having a good season on another team has no bearing on OUR team. Last time he worked behind a porous line there were folks around here wanting his replacement. I wonder if you were one of them, P. Remember?

When are people going to stop using our veteran offense line as an excuse? I'm pretty sure that any of the top 10 qbs in the league take this team deep into the playoffs.

[DonHutson]

EVERYBODY is replacable.

As for the list in the first post... sure, there are better players in the league than most of those guys (I'd argue Blackmon is not easily replacable - he could very well be the NFC's Pro Bowl return man this year). But you could take any team and make a similar list with the bottom half of their depth chart.

[RashanGary]

EVERYBODY is replacable.

As for the list in the first post... sure, there are better players in the league than most of those guys (I'd argue Blackmon is not easily replacable - he could very well be the NFC's Pro Bowl return man this year). But you could take any team and make a similar list with the bottom half of their depth chart.

Right, and it's not really a knock on our guys as much as it is an eye opener that if we have guys worth drafting at each position it should be pretty easy for them to stick and if they're really good they should eventually make thier way on the field and make this team better on Sundays.

[Partial]

I'm just saying...

last year everyone thought this team was scary deep and talented with an up and coming offensive line that played very well down the stretch.

Then, we replace the 2nd best player in football with the ~200th best player in football, and all of a sudden our depth sucks, and our offensive line is horrendous!

[sheepshead]

The problem is NOT the depth of the team. We're as deep and talented as anybody. It's our league worst offense on 3rd down, which is a direct result of our poor quarterback play, which leads to the defense being the field more, which leads to exhaustion, and which leads to them not being able to stop the run.

Duh.

What was the defenses problem in the first half of hte Saints game where our offense had the ball for 18:30 to their 11:30 yet the Saints scored on every drive, while we were fresh. Then came back in the 2nd half, having only been on the field for 11:30 in the first and again let teh Saints score just about every time. Did they punt at all?

If you want to believe this, you're just ignoring reality, Partial. Losing Favre is a part of our problem, but the defensive problems have very little to do with that. As of right now we're 11th in time of possession on offense and 15th in yards. That takes away the exhaustion excuse from our 22nd ranked defense.

The Packers are what they are, an average team with a slightly above average offense and slightly below average defense, not the other way around.

The Saints are a potent offense that was on fire. They would have done that against any team.

Time of posession isn't everything. Demoralizing drives suck the wind right out of our teams sails. Especially without any veteran leadership like Brett Favre to get the troops ready to go out and fight again.

We have top 5 talent in the league all around. The problem is TT has invested much of that talent in oft-injured players ( Harrell, Jenkins, Bigby, Collins ). Also, he traded away a playmaker and replaced him with just a guy. And at the most important position to top it off! That is a sure fire way to obtain mediocrity.

Go look up the score from the last time the Favre exhibited his leadership in M&T Stadium. I'll save you the trouble. He got his ass blown out. Favre's damn good. He's not god and the fact that he's having a good season on another team has no bearing on OUR team. Last time he worked behind a porous line there were folks around here wanting his replacement. I wonder if you were one of them, P. Remember?

When are people going to stop using our veteran offense line as an excuse? I'm pretty sure that any of the top 10 qbs in the league take this team deep into the playoffs.

we have one.

[sheepshead]

EVERYBODY is replacable.

As for the list in the first post... sure, there are better players in the league than most of those guys (I'd argue Blackmon is not easily replacable - he could very well be the NFC's Pro Bowl return man this year). But you could take any team and make a similar list with the bottom half of their depth chart.

yup

[Bretsky]

The problem is NOT the depth of the team. We're as deep and talented as anybody. It's our league worst offense on 3rd down, which is a direct result of our poor quarterback play, which leads to the defense being the field more, which leads to exhaustion, and which leads to them not being able to stop the run.

Duh.

What was the defenses problem in the first half of hte Saints game where our offense had the ball for 18:30 to their 11:30 yet the Saints scored on every drive, while we were fresh. Then came back in the 2nd half, having only been on the field for 11:30 in the first and again let teh Saints score just about every time. Did they punt at all?

If you want to believe this, you're just ignoring reality, Partial. Losing Favre is a part of our problem, but the defensive problems have very little to do with that. As of right now we're 11th in time of possession on offense and 15th in yards. That takes away the exhaustion excuse from our 22nd ranked defense.

The Packers are what they are, an average team with a slightly above average offense and slightly below average defense, not the other way around.

The Saints are a potent offense that was on fire. They would have done that against any team.

Time of posession isn't everything. Demoralizing drives suck the wind right out of our teams sails. Especially without any veteran leadership like Brett Favre to get the troops ready to go out and fight again.

We have top 5 talent in the league all around. The problem is TT has invested much of that talent in oft-injured players ( Harrell, Jenkins, Bigby, Collins ). Also, he traded away a playmaker and replaced him with just a guy. And at the most important position to top it off! That is a sure fire way to obtain mediocrity.

Go look up the score from the last time the Favre exhibited his leadership in M&T Stadium. I'll save you the trouble. He got his ass blown out. Favre's damn good. He's not god and the fact that he's having a good season on another team has no bearing on OUR team. Last time he worked behind a porous line there were folks around here wanting his replacement. I wonder if you were one of them, P. Remember?

Not many were asking for his replacement after the 4-12 season and the ones that were lacked a whole lot of understanding

[RashanGary]

DP