Vote for Change!! Change you can believe in!!

[mission]

Partial, I'm really surprised we agree on something ... but Im actually more surprised there are two votes to keep him!

I would think with the personnel we have on defense, that we should be a lot more productive (obv). The interceptions are purely a result of the talent and have no relation to scheme and coaching. Our guys are severely underachieving even with regards to troubles on the defensive line ...

I would seriously throw a small party if we went out and got a defensive name ... like the redskins guy or someone of that caliber. Not to say a name is the answer, but at least I would have blind confidence instead of having to wait for an unknown's results.

[texaspackerbacker]

The problem isn't with the scheme. The problem is too many departures from the scheme--stupid blitzes that do more harm than good.

The last thing we need for the future is some damn wild-assed risk-taking idiot who blitzes incessantly. Check around the league. That kind of D scheme generally results in losing and long term mediocrity.

[Bossman641]

The problem isn't with the scheme. The problem is too many departures from the scheme--stupid blitzes that do more harm than good.

The last thing we need for the future is some damn wild-assed risk-taking idiot who blitzes incessantly. Check around the league. That kind of D scheme generally results in losing and long term mediocrity.

Tex, while all blitzing carries with it the risk of getting burned, there is quite a difference between reckless blitzing and effective blitzing.

Bob Slowik = reckless

Steve Spagnuolo, Dick LeBeau and Jim Johnson = effective

[Freak Out]

Packers have lost 4 games this year in which they had a 4th quarter lead. They have to make a change at defense. If MM refuses to make the change, he will be putting his future as HC in jeopardy.

Wow, good point.

Packers played a good game yesterday. They are evenly matched against Carolina. Carolina benefited from more turnovers and scored more points despite being outplayed.

I don't see anything that could be done scheme-wise to change the outcome.

How about doubling/taking away the best player on the field when the game is on the line?

[hurleyfan]

[quote="texaspackerbacker"]The problem isn't with the scheme. The problem is too many departures from the scheme--stupid blitzes that do more harm than good. quote]

Stupid blitzes come from a stupid, or bland scheme. The players don't blitz on their own.

The problem is a combination of scheme (or lack of) and marginal players.

[denverYooper]

Was it my imagination, or did they try to bring Poppinga on a blitz vs. Carolina?

[Patler]

Was it my imagination, or did they try to bring Poppinga on a blitz vs. Carolina?

The actually Poppinga lined up at DE a couple times in passing situations.
This is something they have dabbled with in the past.

[pbmax]

Dick LeBeau

How did Mr. LaBeau's blitzing work while he was head coach of the Bengals?

You cannot separate out the scheme from the players with our knowledge level. LaBeau has the players to run the scheme in Pittsburgh. Sanders took the Bates/Wannestat/Johnson defense and continued to play it. The personnel dept has spent 4 years acquiring players who fit it. Slowik might be an example of what happens when you play a scheme without the right players.

4, 2, 2, 7, 2, 27, 15, 9, 10 - Those are the rankings for Jim Johnson's defense in scoring defense since he started. Is the scheme not working as well anymore, or does Johnson not have the same players as he did early in his tenure?

Bates scheme, according to wist and Bretsky, is too vanilla to succeed. I think this year is a bad year to make that judgment. Due to injury and surprising position shortages (did you think we would run out of starting caliber safeties before we ran out of corners?), we are way undermanned.

Part of this was something we could foresee (lack of pass rush). Some was a unwelcome if not shocking development (run D collapse) and some was out of left field stuff (T Will playing at a starting level, safety shortage).

Given time, Thompson will find you players. But if value is your draft guide, you have little control over when. It would seem that in this sense, wist and Bretsky have a point, that a static defense might not suit Thompson's player acquisition strategy.

Thompson does not agree with the value over need argument and has told McGinn that more than once. In the case of the D Line, we will get to see.

[Bretsky]

Dick LeBeau

4, 2, 2, 7, 2, 27, 15, 9, 10 - Those are the rankings for Jim Johnson's defense in scoring defense since he started. Is the scheme not working as well anymore, or does Johnson not have the same players as he did early in his tenure?

Bates scheme, according to wist and Bretsky, is too vanilla to succeed. I think this year is a bad year to make that judgment. Due to injury and surprising position shortages (did you think we would run out of starting caliber safeties before we ran out of corners?), we are way undermanned.

Given time, Thompson will find you players. But if value is your draft guide, you have little control over when. It would seem that in this sense, wist and Bretsky have a point, that a static defense might not suit Thompson's player acquisition strategy.

Thompson does not agree with the value over need argument and has told McGinn that more than once. In the case of the D Line, we will get to see.

For what it's worth I've never been fond of Vanilla Bob; two years ago I was thinking he was out brained many a time. I wasn't the only one and with four games to go that defense was underachieving. Then we hit a blessed foursome of horrific offenses that may have saved the Vanilla man's job.

When we are undermanned creativity becomes even more important IMO.

Just the mere fact that Winston Moss is in a sense part of the game planning scares me about his prospects to be our DC as well.

[denverYooper]

Rod Marinelli will probably be available.

[Rastak]

Rod Marinelli will probably be available.

Unlikely with Kiffin heading off to the NCAA, I bet the Bucs bring him back.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Rod Marinelli will probably be available.

Unlikely with Kiffin heading off to the NCAA, I bet the Bucs bring him back.

God I love it, I can't imagine Monte and Ed Ogereon being assistant coaches for my beloved vols next year.