Scary

[RashanGary]

I don't recall an NFL coach, general manager, or other honcho ever saying something like "Yeah, our tackles are playing like shit" to the media, whether or not it's true. There just doesn't seem to be a reason to do so, short of "appeasing the fans".

Yeah. I'm hoping this is part of it too. It would be stupid of him to say anything bad, but man, he sure sounded content with those losers up front.

[RashanGary]

This will be a very defining year for Ted. If we go into the year with Montgomery, Hunter, Jeremy Thompson, Harrell and Cole as our line depth we'll be truely and utterly screwed no matter how well the rest of the defnse plays. The top two backup lineman might as well be starters with the amount of snaps they play and the 3rd backup turns into a starter as soon as one injury goes down. Having 4 decent guys and then junk is just plain unacceptable. Unless you have 2 or 3 all pros you need 6 or 7 good players. We entered the year with 4.

I'll be OK with either of these situations:

1. We bring in a lot of young talent. They show a lot of signs, but maybe have some inconsistencies and we don't play quite as well as our potential. This sinerio might not bring the Lombardi trophy home, but it will not mean long term doom like it's starting to look like if he relaly likes these losers.

2. We bring in some young talent and maybe a free agent. In this case we would be better now and have some young guys to develop too.



If we go in with the same old junk, I will not be OK with it and I will not give him a free pass. It might not be fire time, but it will be big bright red flag time.

[prsnfoto]

Re: Scary

The defensive line has received significant criticism, arguably going from a position of strength last year to one of weakness.

Thompson doesn’t agree.

“I think in some respects that’s an inaccurate statement to say it’s the defensive line,” he said. “I think our guys have played very hard and we don’t have the sacks that we maybe would have expected or had last year. But they’ve played well. Again, the defense is an 11-man thing. It’s got to be orchestrated properly. And we just haven’t quite hit our stride yet.”

JH, read between those lines. I think Vanilla Bob might be looking for work come February.

Yup. I thought TT's comments were encouraging. I think TT was saying that the simple approach is to blame it on the DL, but the problem goes deeper than that, to other players and even the coaches. If you focus only on the D-line, the problems will not be solved.

I expect changes, perhaps a lot of changes.

Let us only hope they start at the top the changes that is, to me the Lion game is a very important game if somehow they beat us in Lambeau for the first time since 1991 I hope the board(Murphy is a pussy) fires everyone from TT to the waterboys yes I am that pissed off right now!

[chain_gang]

Mike Montgomery is the player I least like seeing on the field, It's seems like a lot of our biggest gains allowed vs the run is when he is on the field, Usually I'm watching the game and see him come in and it's like aaah crap here comes another 30 yard run.

Also, Justin Harrell seem to play alright when he first came back from injury, and lately he's been get pushed all over the place, maybe he needs a full healthy offseason to get his stamina and strength back. I'll give him another chance, but if he can't stay healthy during the offseason, who misses a bunch of workouts, I say cut his ass. I also heard that his knees are bothering him too, surprised his back is hurting more, with how much he's been on it the last few weeks.(My apologies for the negativity, but when I think back to that draft, and my man Dwayne Bowe (AKA Sterling SharpeII) was on the board imagine the impact he could make with a QB. Not that we needed him, but it just seems we draft the cheapest position to sign in the First round, with the exception of Rodgers. Even then we got a great deal with how far he fell.

[bobblehead]

So what would you all be saying if Hunter has a breakthrough as a speed rusher like KGB did in his third year? That and a healthy cullen jenkins would do wonders for this D. But alas, I hope its for a different coach than Sanders.

[b bulldog]

6'7'', 295lbs, 4.6/40, 43" vert and strong as an ox, he was a sure thing in my mind, and I guess he is proving it on the field now. One needs to be sure when picking in the draft that the players they covet are n ot already maxed out in terms of talent.

[RashanGary]

6'7'', 295lbs, 4.6/40, 43" vert and strong as an ox, he was a sure thing in my mind, and I guess he is proving it on the field now. One needs to be sure when picking in the draft that the players they covet are n ot already maxed out in terms of talent.

bulldog, the cost of getting the #1 pick is extraordinary. It's only happend a couple times in teh entire history of the NFL. Why do you think it was such a sure thing approach? I'm not saying Mario isn't a great player but getting him would have been very difficult.

[b bulldog]

last 27 games, 25 sacks and 6 forced fumbles. Probably the second best DE in the game behind Allen already, and he is only 23!!!!!!!!!! Obvioujsly I hav e a mancrush on him b ut the dude is a freak with skills.

[RashanGary]

It's like when people say, "we should have traded up to get Adrian Peterson".

Every team should have just traded up for Mario and Adrian Peterson and they'd all be better now. It's just so stupid because it's not realistic. The teams up there know how good they are to. Whey the hell are they jstu going to give them up? They aren't. that's why those slots don't get traded very often.

Look, I have a big problem with the DL, but I don't think Ted is god. He's can't jsut waive a magic wand and force teams to give away great players.

[RashanGary]

And for the record, I agree that Mario is 3x as valuable as Hawk. Hawk was a so/so pick. A decent player, that's it. Mario and Bush turned out to be impact players. Not many others from the top part of that draft. And you were just as enamoured with VY so lets have some perspective on the accuracy of our crystal balls. I was dead sure the Williams wall would be suspended and now I odn't know. Right when you think you know something you probably don't.

[Rastak]

The NFL trade chart indicates it would have taken 3000 points.


That would have cost

#1 (Hawk)
#2 (Colledge)
#2 (Jennings)
#3 ( Hodge)

and maybe

#3 (spitz)

[Lurker64]

The NFL trade chart indicates it would have taken 3000 points.


That would have cost

#1 (Hawk)
#2 (Colledge)
#2 (Jennings)
#3 ( Hodge)

and maybe

#3 (spitz)

Also, keep in mind, that up until the draft eve everybody was convinced Houston was going to draft Reggie Bush. Most people were gobsmacked at passing up Bush for Williams. If Thompson was prepared to trade up for Williams, he would have been preparing to trade up for #2 and would have missed out on Williams entirely.

Plus, how weird is it to say "Instead of the guy we got, we should have gotten THE NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK, that would have been a better guy to get."?

[cpk1994]

I don't recall an NFL coach, general manager, or other honcho ever saying something like "Yeah, our tackles are playing like shit" to the media, whether or not it's true. There just doesn't seem to be a reason to do so, short of "appeasing the fans".

I wouldn't say never:

Jim Mora and his "Diddly Poo" rant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tie0tz7jGDI

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Bretsky, if the Vanilla Bob firing goes down, will you perk up again? You seem to have become so deeply unhappy with the Packers. I know you say you don't care and you know it's about the long term future for Ted, but you really do seem pretty bummed about the whole thing.

Will getting rid of Vanilla Bob pump the life back into you? And if they throw Stock in there, will you be as excited as if two rather attrractive ladies showed up on your doorstep and offered to show affection for one another for your viewing pleasure?

If Vanilla Bob goes, I will start fund raising for a "Bring Back Bretsky" trip to the Oval Office.

[Lurker64]

I don't recall an NFL coach, general manager, or other honcho ever saying something like "Yeah, our tackles are playing like shit" to the media, whether or not it's true. There just doesn't seem to be a reason to do so, short of "appeasing the fans".

I wouldn't say never:

Jim Mora and his "Diddly Poo" rant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tie0tz7jGDI

But the important difference is that Mora was calling out everybody, players, coaches, special teams quality control coordinators, and was pointing to their failures in every aspect of the game. It's a little different to point fingers at one group of guys and say "Our DTs? Terrible" and not call out anybody else.