MM is dumb

[wist43]

They had 2 timeouts left... you call the TO on 3rd down - assuming a stop, and clock continuing to run. Force them to snap the ball... time left should be about 1:10 or so.

It's 3rd down and whatever, assume a stop on 3rd, call the other time out, they're punting from their end zone, you have no TO's, but you have the ball at about midfield, with a minute on the clock.

If they convert on 2nd or 3rd, with the clock having ticked down, they are still on about their 20 or so, but with only about 1:00 or so remaining.

That's why you let the clock run on 2nd down... man alive... have to explain this rudimentary stuff???

The alternative scenerio... we saw played out.

The call by MM was correct. The whole idea is to make the opponents have to throw on 3rd down and than an incompletion stops the clock. We would have gotten the ball back with 1:30 on the clock at midfield.

The issue is the D and the D only. From the 2 yard line Houston's playbook is probably reduced to 8 plays at most. We couldn't stop them. We couldn't stop them all day. If it wasn't for the turnovers this is another blowout like NO.

Good lord... did you even read the logic behind why the TO, when taken, was stupid???

Yes, the issue is the defense, that is why you let the clock run down when you have the chance. When you can then be in control of managing the clock.

They have the ball deep in their own territory... you are in scoring position if you can force a punt, you want to get the clock down, so that if they convert, they have less time, and if they have to punt, you are still in scoring position with enough time to get into FG range...

IT REDUCES THEIR OPTIONS!!!!!!

Why is this such a difficult concept for some of you to grasp???

Do it the way MM did, left Houston time to do what they did... never should have come to that... worst case scenario, if you let the clock run down, and force them to run a play there, and they convert as they did, is they have the ball 1st and 10 at the 25, but with only about 1:05 to play instead of 1:40.

Good God... it's just simple logic.

[ThunderDan]

They had 2 timeouts left... you call the TO on 3rd down - assuming a stop, and clock continuing to run. Force them to snap the ball... time left should be about 1:10 or so.

It's 3rd down and whatever, assume a stop on 3rd, call the other time out, they're punting from their end zone, you have no TO's, but you have the ball at about midfield, with a minute on the clock.

If they convert on 2nd or 3rd, with the clock having ticked down, they are still on about their 20 or so, but with only about 1:00 or so remaining.

That's why you let the clock run on 2nd down... man alive... have to explain this rudimentary stuff???

The alternative scenerio... we saw played out.

The call by MM was correct. The whole idea is to make the opponents have to throw on 3rd down and than an incompletion stops the clock. We would have gotten the ball back with 1:30 on the clock at midfield.

The issue is the D and the D only. From the 2 yard line Houston's playbook is probably reduced to 8 plays at most. We couldn't stop them. We couldn't stop them all day. If it wasn't for the turnovers this is another blowout like NO.

Good lord... did you even read the logic behind why the TO, when taken, was stupid???

Yes, the issue is the defense, that is why you let the clock run down when you have the chance. When you can then be in control of managing the clock.

They have the ball deep in their own territory... you are in scoring position if you can force a punt, you want to get the clock down, so that if they convert, they have less time, and if they have to punt, you are still in scoring position with enough time to get into FG range...

IT REDUCES THEIR OPTIONS!!!!!!

Why is this such a difficult concept for some of you to grasp???

Do it the way MM did, left Houston time to do what they did... never should have come to that... worst case scenario, if you let the clock run down, and force them to run a play there, and they convert as they did, is they have the ball 1st and 10 at the 25, but with only about 1:05 to play instead of 1:40.

Good God... it's just simple logic.

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Wist-

You are lucky you didn't call me stupid to my face. After seeing what the cancer is doing to my dad today I would have leveled your ass and you would going to a hospital and me to jail!!!

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Yes, trying to force them to throw on third down would get 30-35 extra seconds IF the defense does indeed stop the Texans. But like you said yourself, we would have been at midfield if we got the ball back and having the ball with about a minute left instead of a 1:35 or so is still plenty of time to try to get into field goal range.

Thus, by waiting until after second down to call the timeout would have protected us from basically calling timeout for the Texans at the end of the game. I would be much happier giving the Texans about a minute to get to field goal range from our 3 yard line an exchange an extra possible 30-35 seconds on offense. Because if we indeed do stop them backed up there like am sue MM was hoping we still get plenty of time when we get the ball back. In my eyes that was a big mistake.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Sorry to hear that man, I hope your dad gets better.

[ThunderDan]

Yes, trying to force them to throw on third down would get 30-35 extra seconds IF the defense does indeed stop the Texans. But like you said yourself, we would have been at midfield if we got the ball back and having the ball with about a minute left instead of a 1:35 or so is still plenty of time to try to get into field goal range.

Thus, by waiting until after second down to call the timeout would have protected us from basically calling timeout for the Texans at the end of the game. I would be much happier giving the Texans about a minute to get to field goal range from our 3 yard line an exchange an extra possible 30-35 seconds on offense. Because if we indeed do stop them backed up there like am sue MM was hoping we still get plenty of time when we get the ball back. In my eyes that was a big mistake.

What if we threw a pass and couldn't get out of bounds and than couldn't get our FG unit on the field? I think they were kicking into the wind in the 4th and need to get to the 27 or so. I'd rather have the extra time and let the play clock run down and spike it with 4 seconds left for a game winning FG than potential running out of time.

[wist43]

They had 2 timeouts left... you call the TO on 3rd down - assuming a stop, and clock continuing to run. Force them to snap the ball... time left should be about 1:10 or so.

It's 3rd down and whatever, assume a stop on 3rd, call the other time out, they're punting from their end zone, you have no TO's, but you have the ball at about midfield, with a minute on the clock.

If they convert on 2nd or 3rd, with the clock having ticked down, they are still on about their 20 or so, but with only about 1:00 or so remaining.

That's why you let the clock run on 2nd down... man alive... have to explain this rudimentary stuff???

The alternative scenerio... we saw played out.

The call by MM was correct. The whole idea is to make the opponents have to throw on 3rd down and than an incompletion stops the clock. We would have gotten the ball back with 1:30 on the clock at midfield.

The issue is the D and the D only. From the 2 yard line Houston's playbook is probably reduced to 8 plays at most. We couldn't stop them. We couldn't stop them all day. If it wasn't for the turnovers this is another blowout like NO.

Good lord... did you even read the logic behind why the TO, when taken, was stupid???

Yes, the issue is the defense, that is why you let the clock run down when you have the chance. When you can then be in control of managing the clock.

They have the ball deep in their own territory... you are in scoring position if you can force a punt, you want to get the clock down, so that if they convert, they have less time, and if they have to punt, you are still in scoring position with enough time to get into FG range...

IT REDUCES THEIR OPTIONS!!!!!!

Why is this such a difficult concept for some of you to grasp???

Do it the way MM did, left Houston time to do what they did... never should have come to that... worst case scenario, if you let the clock run down, and force them to run a play there, and they convert as they did, is they have the ball 1st and 10 at the 25, but with only about 1:05 to play instead of 1:40.

Good God... it's just simple logic.

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Wist-

You are lucky you didn't call me stupid to my face. After seeing what the cancer is doing to my dad today I would have leveled your ass and you would going to a hospital and me to jail!!!

First off, didn't call you stupid... said the TO was stupid, if you don't agree, make the case...

Secondly, didn't know anything about your dad, and I'm sorry for his illness... I've lost loved ones cancer, so I know what you're going thru.

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In the spirit of the Packer family, I am editing this post and apologizing to TD. I respect that you are facing personal difficulty, and that you reacted... I said nothing personal to you, but I do apologize for the posting that I am editing out of this post...

I do not take well to being threatened phsyically... and when pushed, I generally push back - literally. No need to get into a pissing contest... understand though, as a friendly reminder, you never really know who you're talking to, so be polite.

I may offer up strong opinions, but I always try never to get personal with people. I did not call you stupid, I said the TO was stupid; and, will stand by that. I think I've made the case pretty ironclad.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Yes, trying to force them to throw on third down would get 30-35 extra seconds IF the defense does indeed stop the Texans. But like you said yourself, we would have been at midfield if we got the ball back and having the ball with about a minute left instead of a 1:35 or so is still plenty of time to try to get into field goal range.

Thus, by waiting until after second down to call the timeout would have protected us from basically calling timeout for the Texans at the end of the game. I would be much happier giving the Texans about a minute to get to field goal range from our 3 yard line an exchange an extra possible 30-35 seconds on offense. Because if we indeed do stop them backed up there like am sue MM was hoping we still get plenty of time when we get the ball back. In my eyes that was a big mistake.

What if we threw a pass and couldn't get out of bounds and than couldn't get our FG unit on the field? I think they were kicking into the wind in the 4th and need to get to the 27 or so. I'd rather have the extra time and let the play clock run down and spike it with 4 seconds left for a game winning FG than potential running out of time.

What if we can't get our field goal unit on the field?

You have much more control on offense than you do on defense. If the offense can't manage 20-25 yards with about a minute left even with no TO's then we don't deserve to win the game at the end of regulation. And also there is still OT.





But what if the Texans make the 1st down on 2-7?


You saw what happened...........

[pbmax]

Memories, all alone in the moonlight...

[mraynrand]

You me friend are a fucking bitch ass fag. Go suck MM dick......

Arcilite, you off MM nuts yet? Why don't you next time actually think about the post before your dumb ass responds. You probably still don't see the mistake and you called me dumb. fuck off bitch.

[pbmax]

The long ago days of comity and civility.

[Rastak]

The long ago days of comity and civility.

True, nothing like civilized gentleman calming discussing the issue at hand and making their points in an intelligent thought out manner......or you could just go "fuck you bitch, you are a moron"

[QBME]

True, nothing like civilized gentleman calming discussing the issue at hand and making their points in an intelligent thought out manner......or you could just go "fuck you bitch, you are a moron"

Which makes me reflect, why even resurrect an 11 year old thread?

[Rastak]

Which makes me reflect, why even resurrect an 11 year old thread?

What's the term the kids use these days? Necro'ing a thread?

[pbmax]

Which makes me reflect, why even resurrect an 11 year old thread?

I was looking for a People are Dumb thread and I stumbled across this one. I miss all these posters. Even cpk1994!

I love wist's clock strategy where he wants to not use timeouts so as to take time off the clock BEFORE you get the ball back.

Its a classic!

[QBME]

What's the term the kids use these days? Necro'ing a thread?

Wow, had to Google the term. You are spot on - the kids do use it.