Packers 2009 Salary Cap

[Patler]

I resurrected this thread to post the following linK:

http://cappage.timesfour.com/2009gbpcapprojection.html

The person who generates this list is usually as accurate as any I know of. This shows committed dollars of about $94 million right now for 2009. With the cap expected to be $123 million, and the Packers having rolled forward a little over $7 million from 2008, it looks like they are at about $36 million in cap space before any RFA tenders, etc.

This pretty much agrees with my original estimation that started this thread in early December. I have seen some projections recently that have the Packers at a much lower amount, including one of the JSO writers who came up with $25 million including the roll-forward. I don't understand why some have the much lower amount, but it is safe to say that they should have $25-35 million.

[vince]

Thanks for the update Patler.

I assume they just neglected to update the contract expiration for Rodgers, as the dollars look right, but his new deal is not reflected in the contract expiration column.

Tauscher ($3.5), Cole ($1.4), Montgomery ($.52), Bigby ($.45), Hunter ($.45), Bush ($.45), Kuhn ($.45), Martin ($.45), Williams ($.37), and Humphrey ($.37) are the players from last year not reflected on the cap projection, as they are not currently under contract.

Each of them will obviously need to be signed or replaced. That was $8.4 million worth in '08. They may be able to recover a few dollars from Tauscher's deal by resigning him for less, but that may not be likely. I would also guess that Williams will get a bump. None of the other guys are likely to be replaced for any less than they were last year, so for all practical purposes, that money is also already spent in addition to the $94 mil number reflected.

[Sparkey]

I resurrected this thread to post the following linK:

http://cappage.timesfour.com/2009gbpcapprojection.html

The person who generates this list is usually as accurate as any I know of. This shows committed dollars of about $94 million right now for 2009. With the cap expected to be $123 million, and the Packers having rolled forward a little over $7 million from 2008, it looks like they are at about $36 million in cap space before any RFA tenders, etc.

This pretty much agrees with my original estimation that started this thread in early December. I have seen some projections recently that have the Packers at a much lower amount, including one of the JSO writers who came up with $25 million including the roll-forward. I don't understand why some have the much lower amount, but it is safe to say that they should have $25-35 million.

Patler,

How current is that link ? It lists Rodgers contract final year as 2009.. Which would be correct prior to the restructuring/extension he signed.

[Patler]

Patler,
How current is that link ? It lists Rodgers contract final year as 2009.. Which would be correct prior to the restructuring/extension he signed.

I don't know how current it is, but as Vince noted, the dollar numbers for Rodgers are correct, it just appears they did not update the year of expiration. His 2008 list was updated through the last part of November. There really was not much of significance that happened after that with anyone's contract for 2009, other than the roll forward of unused 2008 space. A couple guys were signed and I think some were two-year contracts, but under the "Rule of 51" that applies in the off season, they don't matter.

As the off season progresses he will add notes and dates as he updates the list. He will even offer explanations of why his numbers differ from others, why he thinks he is right and they are wrong. I respect his work quite a bit.

[Patler]

Tauscher ($3.5), Cole ($1.4), Montgomery ($.52), Bigby ($.45), Hunter ($.45), Bush ($.45), Kuhn ($.45), Martin ($.45), Williams ($.37), and Humphrey ($.37) are the players from last year not reflected on the cap projection, as they are not currently under contract.

Each of them will obviously need to be signed or replaced. That was $8.4 million worth in '08. They may be able to recover a few dollars from Tauscher's deal by resigning him for less, but that may not be likely. I would also guess that Williams will get a bump. None of the other guys are likely to be replaced for any less than they were last year, so for all practical purposes, that money is also already spent in addition to the $94 mil number reflected.

But that is true when you discuss the cap space for any team, the FAs are not included until they sign. As players are signed, another drops off the bottom of the list because in the off season only the 51 highest paid players are counted, along with all bonuses paid to all players. A portion of the cap space also has to be allocated to the rookie pool, so the money available to sign their own or other FAs is less than the total cap available.

A few years ago the Packers cap space was very deceiving because they had only about 40 players under contract, not even enough to meet the "Rule of 51". As a practical matter they really had about $2-3 million less in available cap space than the lists showed just to fill their roster with 1st or 2nd year players at minimum salaries.

[sharpe1027]

Anyone have a rough number on how much of the salary will end up going to draft picks? A ballpark figure will do. Thanks.

[KYPack]

Anyone have a rough number on how much of the salary will end up going to draft picks? A ballpark figure will do. Thanks.

5-7 million is the usual number.

You have to calculate it, something we all leave to the great and all-powerful Patler/

[Patler]

Anyone have a rough number on how much of the salary will end up going to draft picks? A ballpark figure will do. Thanks.

5-7 million is the usual number.

You have to calculate it, something we all leave to the great and all-powerful Patler/

The league doesn't release those until shortly before the draft. Last year Cincinnati had the #9 pick and 10 picks overall, with extras in rounds 5, 6 and 7. They had a pool of $5.55 million. The Packers have a higher extra pick from the Jets, and with an increase as always, I expect they will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $5.5 - 6 million.

[vince]

Tauscher ($3.5), Cole ($1.4), Montgomery ($.52), Bigby ($.45), Hunter ($.45), Bush ($.45), Kuhn ($.45), Martin ($.45), Williams ($.37), and Humphrey ($.37) are the players from last year not reflected on the cap projection, as they are not currently under contract.

Each of them will obviously need to be signed or replaced. That was $8.4 million worth in '08. They may be able to recover a few dollars from Tauscher's deal by resigning him for less, but that may not be likely. I would also guess that Williams will get a bump. None of the other guys are likely to be replaced for any less than they were last year, so for all practical purposes, that money is also already spent in addition to the $94 mil number reflected.

But that is true when you discuss the cap space for any team, the FAs are not included until they sign. As players are signed, another drops off the bottom of the list because in the off season only the 51 highest paid players are counted, along with all bonuses paid to all players. A portion of the cap space also has to be allocated to the rookie pool, so the money available to sign their own or other FAs is less than the total cap available.

A few years ago the Packers cap space was very deceiving because they had only about 40 players under contract, not even enough to meet the "Rule of 51". As a practical matter they really had about $2-3 million less in available cap space than the lists showed just to fill their roster with 1st or 2nd year players at minimum salaries.

Right. I guess I just wanted to point out just one of those practicalities so those who love to gush about all that cap space Tightwad Ted holds every year don't get too excited gleefully spewing sarcastic remarks over a $35 mil available cap figure that will be wasted if they don't sign the top four guys on the market.

Given 1) the Packers prudent and effective pay-as-you-go contract structuring philosophy, 2) players' demands for getting a big payday upfront with new contracts, and 3) the group of players that will need to be re-upped before the end of next year, substantial portions of the available space are likely to be eaten up very quickly just with re-signings and this year's higher-positioned draftees - not to mention the $10 million or so the existing players cited above (or their replacements) will command - after shaving the bottom 7 or 8 guys from the list of 51.

Though I'm sure it's pointless. None of that will matter when free agent season comes and the usual suspects will once again rejoice in their sarcastic remarks and inaccurate exaggerations about Ted Thompson, ignoring the practical realities of the whole picture.

[Bossman641]

Tauscher ($3.5), Cole ($1.4), Montgomery ($.52), Bigby ($.45), Hunter ($.45), Bush ($.45), Kuhn ($.45), Martin ($.45), Williams ($.37), and Humphrey ($.37) are the players from last year not reflected on the cap projection, as they are not currently under contract.

Each of them will obviously need to be signed or replaced. That was $8.4 million worth in '08. They may be able to recover a few dollars from Tauscher's deal by resigning him for less, but that may not be likely. I would also guess that Williams will get a bump. None of the other guys are likely to be replaced for any less than they were last year, so for all practical purposes, that money is also already spent in addition to the $94 mil number reflected.

But that is true when you discuss the cap space for any team, the FAs are not included until they sign. As players are signed, another drops off the bottom of the list because in the off season only the 51 highest paid players are counted, along with all bonuses paid to all players. A portion of the cap space also has to be allocated to the rookie pool, so the money available to sign their own or other FAs is less than the total cap available.

A few years ago the Packers cap space was very deceiving because they had only about 40 players under contract, not even enough to meet the "Rule of 51". As a practical matter they really had about $2-3 million less in available cap space than the lists showed just to fill their roster with 1st or 2nd year players at minimum salaries.

Right. I guess I just wanted to point out just one of those practicalities so those who love to gush about all that cap space Tightwad Ted holds every year don't get too excited gleefully spewing sarcastic remarks over a $35 mil available cap figure that will be wasted in they don't sign the top four guys on the market.

Given 1) the Packers prudent and effective pay-as-you-go contract structuring philosophy, 2) players' demands for getting a big payday upfront with new contracts, and 3) the group of players that will need to be re-upped before the end of next year, substantial portions of the available space are likely to be eaten up very quickly just with re-signings and this year's higher-positioned draftees - not to mention the $10 million or so the existing players cited above (or their replacements) will command.

Though I'm sure it's pointless. None of that will matter when free agent season comes and the usual suspects will be once again rejoice in their sarcastic remarks and inaccurate exaggerations about Ted Thompson, ignoring the practical realities of the cap.

TT is such a cheap asshole. He is trying to sabotage this team. Why else would he sit on 35 million in cap room when there are all these FA"s to sign? What a snake!!

I'm sorry, were you saying something Vince?