HAWKS DEAL COULD UPSET HARRIS EVEN MORE

[Patler]

I think there are two provisions:

Vested veterans (including TO) will get paid the length of their season if they make the final roster out of training camp. I believe this counts 100% on the salary cap, even after they're cut.

Veteran players only cost a certain perentage of their contracts against the cap. I believe this only kicks in when they're paid minimum or near-minimum. Still, I'd prefer someone wiser than me tell me whether this is accurate or just my wishful thinking.

The second of your scenarios is the simpler one. A vested veteran who signs for the league minimum with not more than a $25,000 signing bonus nd not more than $5,720 in workout bonus only counts one-half of his salary against the cap. Another good aspect for the team is that the league "bonus" pool picks up half of the salary, the team doesn't pay it directly.

The vested veteran's salary gurantee to me is a bit less clear as to how much is guranteed and how much counts against the cap; and even when it applies.

[Guiness]

NB - good to see here. You'd disappeared from JSO some time ago as I recall, but were a pretty regular poster there for a while.

Hope you stick around here - best Packer talk on the .net

[GBRulz]

I don't see how Harris will be ticked about Hawk's deal anymore than other players who aren't making 6 mil a year. If I read correctly, that is about the area in which he'll sign for based on last years #5 pick.

do I agree with the contracts these rookies get, hell no, but that's another topic altogether!

[woodbuck27]

I don't see how Harris will be ticked about Hawk's deal anymore than other players who aren't making 6 mil a year. If I read correctly, that is about the area in which he'll sign for based on last years #5 pick.

do I agree with the contracts these rookies get, hell no, but that's another topic altogether!

I'm hoping that Al Harris does as his agent last said. Get's to TC and flat out plays his butt off for us and then, he gets his needs for a raise considered. Based on a solid performance or he gets a value added incentive clause, that will give him more on strictly a performance basis.

[GBRulz]

I just don't like the trend as of recently where a player signs a long-term deal, then 2 years later someone is making more than them and they want more money.

Perhaps there needs to be more incentive based contracts out there.

[woodbuck27]

"Perhaps there needs to be more incentive based contracts out there." GBMichele

Het GB . We all need incentives. I'm drinkin' a few right now.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Het GB . We all need incentives. I'm drinkin' a few right now.

Every time Woody makes a post, he slams down another cold one.

[Fosco33]

Negotiations with A.J. Hawk are not expected to be easy. If the last three years are any indication, don't expect Hawk to be in camp on July 28. The Packers' last three No. 1 picks all missed practices while their deals were being finalized. -- PackersNews.com

[ranks66]

[quote="NewsBruin"]Hey, guys, it's good to see some familiar names. I still view the threads there, but that's a board that's trying to run itself into the ground.

This place looks very encouraging, especially the thoughtful comments and research the posters put in here. I was leery of going to one board for news and another for comments, but I'm just impressed with Packerrats so far.

And all apologies for my first thread being one of my sore spots and an unpopular opinion among fans. I just dislike the NFL contract structure on all sides. I understand the reason a club can cut a player any week it wants to and only be on the salary cap hook for the remainder of bonus money (because players get hurt and banged-up every week). It bites that clubs can say "Look, we need more money to sign guys who've never taken the field, so we're going to pay you less. If you don't like it, look for 31 other teams to take you on their roster."

There are times when I'm just a selfish jerk. If my boss said, "I'm going to cut your salary by a third to three-quarters to add another employee fresh out of college," I don't know if I'd be thrilled to go along with it.

I think the solution (and the end of my griping) would be to have honest contracts that do more than put a bunch of money into agents' pockets, and maybe some concessions by the NFL and NFLPA that would lead to X percentage of a veteran player's contract guaranteed, but not included in the salary cap if he were cut (so that if a $1,000,000 player were cut, then he could get 30% of the remaining salary to start the next stage of his life). Either that or a minimum a team could re-sign a player for, based on his previous contract.

But first and foremost, I'm a Packer fan. I want to see the best for my family's team, and I want them to build the framework that leads to long-term, honorable success.

Hey Bruin...

This is the place to be, I just go back to read about Tex (Sniffer) and his stupid comments once in a while