Harrell - again.....

[Guiness]

The Minnesota Vikings took the most talented player in teh draft with the 7th pick. He slipped that far because of injury risk. Look how that turned out.

Sweet Jebus - JH the voice of reason!

Without RTFA, this is not good for him, and it is certainly another nail in the coffin. I can't see them cutting ties with him now, unless he's got a roster bonus coming up this offseason. But I have to think he's off the 'do not cut' list for next fall, and if he doesn't impress, he'll be gone.

Speaking of oft-injured, I see Fred Taylor is likely heading to IR. There's another guy who has just not been able to stay on the field, but he has managed to be very impressive when he's there. We'll never know, but he has shown enough to think he could've even been HOF caliber if he stayed healthy.

[bobblehead]

Guys that need BIG camps to stick next year:

Montgomery
Bush
Harrell
Wynn

I know there are more, but those are my 4 I want to see gone. Harrell will actually only need an average but healthy camp to stick, but I have hit the wall on patience. Not sure if he is working out properly or not, but he sure is injury prone be it bad genetics or bad work ethic.

[Freak Out]

The Minnesota Vikings took the most talented player in teh draft with the 7th pick. He slipped that far because of injury risk. Look how that turned out.

Sweet Jebus - JH the voice of reason!

Without RTFA, this is not good for him, and it is certainly another nail in the coffin. I can't see them cutting ties with him now, unless he's got a roster bonus coming up this offseason. But I have to think he's off the 'do not cut' list for next fall, and if he doesn't impress, he'll be gone.

Speaking of oft-injured, I see Fred Taylor is likely heading to IR. There's another guy who has just not been able to stay on the field, but he has managed to be very impressive when he's there. We'll never know, but he has shown enough to think he could've even been HOF caliber if he stayed healthy.

Fred Taylor? The guy is old right? Anyway.....you are all right. A draft pick is always a crapshoot and sometimes you have to take a risk....like the Vikings did with AP....that risk was much lower than Harrell though IMHO considering the impact he could have....but we can still bitch about bust's and bad picks right?

[Gunakor]

Where does TT explain why he drafted this guy again? He was healthy one year in School and he takes him with the 16th pick. He has been nothing but injured here in GB...what a shocker. Blame it on the scouts......

Yeah, blame it on the scouts. But while you are doing that, remember that Shanahan stated quite clearly that if Green Bay hadn't taken him at #16, Denver would have taken him at #17. It's not like TT drafted him out of position - he was going to go in the middle of the first round regardless. Hindsight says "Well, I'd rather it have been Denver". But we didn't have the benefit of hindsight back then.

If Harrell had worked out and stayed healthy, we'd all be praising TT for the pick, finding us a young solid DT for years to come. We'd have been thanking TT for bringing him here rather than letting him slip to Denver at #17. We didn't know back then, and neither did anyone else. It's a crapshoot, which I thought was understood by all here. Nobody is guaranteed anything in the first round.

[Pacopete4]

Where does TT explain why he drafted this guy again? He was healthy one year in School and he takes him with the 16th pick. He has been nothing but injured here in GB...what a shocker. Blame it on the scouts......

Yeah, blame it on the scouts. But while you are doing that, remember that Shanahan stated quite clearly that if Green Bay hadn't taken him at #16, Denver would have taken him at #17. It's not like TT drafted him out of position - he was going to go in the middle of the first round regardless. Hindsight says "Well, I'd rather it have been Denver". But we didn't have the benefit of hindsight back then.

If Harrell had worked out and stayed healthy, we'd all be praising TT for the pick, finding us a young solid DT for years to come. We'd have been thanking TT for bringing him here rather than letting him slip to Denver at #17. We didn't know back then, and neither did anyone else. It's a crapshoot, which I thought was understood by all here. Nobody is guaranteed anything in the first round.

ya and if Ahmad Carrol had worked out we'd be praising Sherman... thing is he didn't and neither has Harrell.. this team is 5-8 quit giving Ted ''snake'' Thompson such a free pass... its just another way he has fucked up OUR Packers! If its not fixed midway thru next season let the snake go back into the wild!

[Gunakor]

Where does TT explain why he drafted this guy again? He was healthy one year in School and he takes him with the 16th pick. He has been nothing but injured here in GB...what a shocker. Blame it on the scouts......

Yeah, blame it on the scouts. But while you are doing that, remember that Shanahan stated quite clearly that if Green Bay hadn't taken him at #16, Denver would have taken him at #17. It's not like TT drafted him out of position - he was going to go in the middle of the first round regardless. Hindsight says "Well, I'd rather it have been Denver". But we didn't have the benefit of hindsight back then.

If Harrell had worked out and stayed healthy, we'd all be praising TT for the pick, finding us a young solid DT for years to come. We'd have been thanking TT for bringing him here rather than letting him slip to Denver at #17. We didn't know back then, and neither did anyone else. It's a crapshoot, which I thought was understood by all here. Nobody is guaranteed anything in the first round.

ya and if Ahmad Carrol had worked out we'd be praising Sherman... thing is he didn't and neither has Harrell.. this team is 5-8 quit giving Ted ''snake'' Thompson such a free pass... its just another way he has fucked up OUR Packers! If its not fixed midway thru next season let the snake go back into the wild!

Difference is, there weren't other teams clammoring to take Carroll in the first round should we have passed him up. Harrell would have been taken with the very next pick. Shanahan said so. That's the difference. Carroll was drafted way out of position, and Harrell was taken right where he should have been taken. So Harrell didn't work out. Big whoop. Lots of first round draft picks don't work out, for a great many teams. Shit happens. You only flame a guy if he takes a player in the first round that is projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round, and becomes a bust. Guys like Ahmad Carroll. You fail to understand that much. Harrell was SUPPOSED to go in the middle of the first round, so why are you suprised that TT picked him there?

[bobblehead]

Where does TT explain why he drafted this guy again? He was healthy one year in School and he takes him with the 16th pick. He has been nothing but injured here in GB...what a shocker. Blame it on the scouts......

Yeah, blame it on the scouts. But while you are doing that, remember that Shanahan stated quite clearly that if Green Bay hadn't taken him at #16, Denver would have taken him at #17. It's not like TT drafted him out of position - he was going to go in the middle of the first round regardless. Hindsight says "Well, I'd rather it have been Denver". But we didn't have the benefit of hindsight back then.

If Harrell had worked out and stayed healthy, we'd all be praising TT for the pick, finding us a young solid DT for years to come. We'd have been thanking TT for bringing him here rather than letting him slip to Denver at #17. We didn't know back then, and neither did anyone else. It's a crapshoot, which I thought was understood by all here. Nobody is guaranteed anything in the first round.

ya and if Ahmad Carrol had worked out we'd be praising Sherman... thing is he didn't and neither has Harrell.. this team is 5-8 quit giving Ted ''snake'' Thompson such a free pass... its just another way he has fucked up OUR Packers! If its not fixed midway thru next season let the snake go back into the wild!

Do you honestly not see the difference? One guy drafted an undersized but fast guy who played at a smaller program against bad competition and never really showed good football instincts. The other guy drafted a freakishly big bodied manchild who showed good instincts against top competition but had injury problems in college. Yea, makes perfect sense to compare those two scenarios. Once Mark Hatley died Mike Sherman NEVER made a single good draft pick.

[Guiness]

Difference is, there weren't other teams clammoring to take Carroll in the first round should we have passed him up. Harrell would have been taken with the very next pick. Shanahan said so. That's the difference. Carroll was drafted way out of position, and Harrell was taken right where he should have been taken. So Harrell didn't work out. Big whoop. Lots of first round draft picks don't work out, for a great many teams. Shit happens. You only flame a guy if he takes a player in the first round that is projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round, and becomes a bust. Guys like Ahmad Carroll. You fail to understand that much. Harrell was SUPPOSED to go in the middle of the first round, so why are you suprised that TT picked him there?

Well put - but I'll play devil's advocate a little...

If I was TT, I would've spent a considerable amount of time praising Detroit's 'brain trust' for their moves, especially the more bone headed ones. "Wow, great move, wish I could've gotten it done!"

Of course, Shannahan's not in our division, so motive is a question. I'm not sure on the timing, could he have been mad at us over JWalk?

Seriously though, I'd believe little or nothing about what an NFL GM says he would've done, or is going to do.

[Merlin]

We had the opportunity to take Quinn, which we know the day of the draft that the Browns would have given their left nut for (and did). We should have been the team they negotiated with, instead we took a player that only played college football for basically one year and it wasn't the year previous to the draft. I don't care what Denver was going to do, Thompson needed to do what was in the best interests of the Packers and he clearly he thought he was smarter then everyone else. By not taking the BPA or the pick that would have given us better odds of attaining a quality player, Thompson deviated from his own stated strategy. First round draft picks seldom amount to much in the NFL. You have better luck drafting quantity in later rounds then trying to hit on one or two quality players in the first 50 picks. Obviously Quinn hasn't amounted to much but it wouldn't have been our problem, well Thompson probably would have asked for two nuts and an arm from the Browns pushing him us of negotiations. It wouldn't be the first time Thompson's "I'm smarter then everyone else" attitude has cost the Packers. Won't be the last either. For as much good as he has done for this team, I still stand by the one stat that matters, wins. Say whatever you want to protect the guy, make your excuses, it is what it is. Here's to hoping there is a big turn around in 2009 and that our "rebuilding" is finally done 5 years into his tenure.

[Gunakor]

Difference is, there weren't other teams clammoring to take Carroll in the first round should we have passed him up. Harrell would have been taken with the very next pick. Shanahan said so. That's the difference. Carroll was drafted way out of position, and Harrell was taken right where he should have been taken. So Harrell didn't work out. Big whoop. Lots of first round draft picks don't work out, for a great many teams. Shit happens. You only flame a guy if he takes a player in the first round that is projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round, and becomes a bust. Guys like Ahmad Carroll. You fail to understand that much. Harrell was SUPPOSED to go in the middle of the first round, so why are you suprised that TT picked him there?

Well put - but I'll play devil's advocate a little...

If I was TT, I would've spent a considerable amount of time praising Detroit's 'brain trust' for their moves, especially the more bone headed ones. "Wow, great move, wish I could've gotten it done!"

Of course, Shannahan's not in our division, so motive is a question. I'm not sure on the timing, could he have been mad at us over JWalk?

Seriously though, I'd believe little or nothing about what an NFL GM says he would've done, or is going to do.

It's not about who was going to take him. That's not the point I was trying to make. Rather, it is that Harrell was selected at the right time in the draft. He was projected to go middle of first round, other teams would have taken him in the middle of the first round, and TT selected him in the middle of the first round. No suprises there at all. I'm still waiting on someone to tell me how TT made this big mistake that other GM's in the league wouldn't have made by drafting Harrell where he did, because the way I see it, he played it the same way other GM's would have played it. Not trying to be smarter than everybody else, but doing a job the way other GM's would do it. If we didn't have TT as our GM, we probably still make that pick. What is everyone so pissed off about??

[sharpe1027]

Flame TT for being conservative. Whine about risks he took. That was my point. I have no problem with holding him accountable for how well the team does. Right now he has taken us within a play of the superbowl one year and missed the playoffs in the years before and after (almost certainly). While that is better than most GMs, it remains to be seen if the one year was a fluke. Next year might be the deciding factor.

[Harlan Huckleby]

the good news is that they don't miss much because he hasn't been playing that well. I'm not sure he is better than Alfred Malone.

But lets get real, he's a physical beast who was good in college. No way are they gonna give up on him. There's always next year, as they say.

[RashanGary]

Neither Mike Sherman nor Ted Thompson should be judged on individual moves standing alone. They should be judged as a whole.

Ted's not having a good year this year. If it keeps up or spirals down he'll get the same treatment Sherman got for his downward trend. He'll probably get the same firing, the same fan treatment and we'll all have similar bad memories.

Considering the state of the team Ted gets more time (debate it if you will but it's a fact that the team is giving him more time and I think he deserves it). I think he's doing a really good job but all of that is yet to be proven to a point where he gets fired or celebrated. Right now we're at teh same back and forth (is he this or is he that) wall. I think he's this. You think he's that. We'll see but lets not sit here and crucify him for a one bad pick. Hell, lets not crucify him if he has half bad picks. That's the NFL. That's the draft.

[channtheman]

I'm really sick of this. I stuck to him since he's been on the team, but this is just shite. Time to cut the slack, even if it was a 1st rounder.

Yup, I was willing to give him one more chance with a good off season and no more injuries. This is it though. He needs to go as all he's done is waste space.

[cpk1994]

Neither Mike Sherman nor Ted Thompson should be judged on individual moves standing alone. They should be judged as a whole.

Ted's not having a good year this year. If it keeps up or spirals down he'll get the same treatment Sherman got for his downward trend. He'll probably get the same firing, the same fan treatment and we'll all have similar bad memories.

Considering the state of the team Ted gets more time (debate it if you will but it's a fact that the team is giving him more time and I think he deserves it). I think he's doing a really good job but all of that is yet to be proven to a point where he gets fired or celebrated. Right now we're at teh same back and forth (is he this or is he that) wall. I think he's this. You think he's that. We'll see but lets not sit here and crucify him for a one bad pick. Hell, lets not crucify him if he has half bad picks. That's the NFL. That's the draft.

And just to add to it, go back to Ron Wolf's 1st round history with the Packers. Jaml Reynolds, Terrell Buckley, Antuan Edwards and John Michels ring a bell? Wolf wasn't exactly a master of the first round either.