Harrell - again.....

[Joemailman]

The injury he has now I can live with because it's not due to being out of shape, as was probably the case earlier this year. Harrell needs to finally come to training camp healthy. He's been here 2 years, and hasn't really fully participated in a training camp yet. TC is where young players get to refine their skills, something he badly needs. If he reports next spring out of shape again, then you probably cut him. Otherwise, I think it pays to give him a chance to turn things around.

[Packers4Ever]

Re: Harrell - again.....

Hip injury, not practicing:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/35942759.html

That was just for Wed, and Thursday. Coach was

planning on his playing today.

[Patler]

Re: Harrell - again.....

Hip injury, not practicing:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/35942759.html

That was just for Wed, and Thursday. Coach was

planning on his playing today.

That's what the article states, isn't it?
This is out of McCarthy's hands. The medical staff will test him on Friday and decide if he can play.
There is also some talk out of GB that since his snaps are limited anyway, since he has had no preparation for the season and since he is (and has been for several weeks) suffering from a hip problem now, that they might just shut him down for the year. Let him start over from the beginning of the off season and hope he can put something together for 2009. In some ways that would make sense.

[LEWCWA]

Where does TT explain why he drafted this guy again? He was healthy one year in School and he takes him with the 16th pick. He has been nothing but injured here in GB...what a shocker. Blame it on the scouts......

Yeah, blame it on the scouts. But while you are doing that, remember that Shanahan stated quite clearly that if Green Bay hadn't taken him at #16, Denver would have taken him at #17. It's not like TT drafted him out of position - he was going to go in the middle of the first round regardless. Hindsight says "Well, I'd rather it have been Denver". But we didn't have the benefit of hindsight back then.

If Harrell had worked out and stayed healthy, we'd all be praising TT for the pick, finding us a young solid DT for years to come. We'd have been thanking TT for bringing him here rather than letting him slip to Denver at #17. We didn't know back then, and neither did anyone else. It's a crapshoot, which I thought was understood by all here. Nobody is guaranteed anything in the first round.

ya and if Ahmad Carrol had worked out we'd be praising Sherman... thing is he didn't and neither has Harrell.. this team is 5-8 quit giving Ted ''snake'' Thompson such a free pass... its just another way he has fucked up OUR Packers! If its not fixed midway thru next season let the snake go back into the wild!

Do you honestly not see the difference? One guy drafted an undersized but fast guy who played at a smaller program against bad competition and never really showed good football instincts. The other guy drafted a freakishly big bodied manchild who showed good instincts against top competition but had injury problems in college. Yea, makes perfect sense to compare those two scenarios. Once Mark Hatley died Mike Sherman NEVER made a single good draft pick.

Played at a smaller program? Arkansas is part of the SEC as far as I know! When bashing someone else, you should have your facts straight, at the very least. When you don't you just look foolish!

[Patler]

Speaking of oft-injured, I see Fred Taylor is likely heading to IR. There's another guy who has just not been able to stay on the field, but he has managed to be very impressive when he's there. We'll never know, but he has shown enough to think he could've even been HOF caliber if he stayed healthy.

Amazingly enough, he could still get HOF consideration. He has over 11,000 yards in an 11 year career, while missing more than two years worth of games.

[SnakeLH2006]

Well hopefully JH figures it out....TT is still thinking about it though....

[cpk1994]

Where does TT explain why he drafted this guy again? He was healthy one year in School and he takes him with the 16th pick. He has been nothing but injured here in GB...what a shocker. Blame it on the scouts......

Yeah, blame it on the scouts. But while you are doing that, remember that Shanahan stated quite clearly that if Green Bay hadn't taken him at #16, Denver would have taken him at #17. It's not like TT drafted him out of position - he was going to go in the middle of the first round regardless. Hindsight says "Well, I'd rather it have been Denver". But we didn't have the benefit of hindsight back then.

If Harrell had worked out and stayed healthy, we'd all be praising TT for the pick, finding us a young solid DT for years to come. We'd have been thanking TT for bringing him here rather than letting him slip to Denver at #17. We didn't know back then, and neither did anyone else. It's a crapshoot, which I thought was understood by all here. Nobody is guaranteed anything in the first round.

ya and if Ahmad Carrol had worked out we'd be praising Sherman... thing is he didn't and neither has Harrell.. this team is 5-8 quit giving Ted ''snake'' Thompson such a free pass... its just another way he has fucked up OUR Packers! If its not fixed midway thru next season let the snake go back into the wild!

Do you honestly not see the difference? One guy drafted an undersized but fast guy who played at a smaller program against bad competition and never really showed good football instincts. The other guy drafted a freakishly big bodied manchild who showed good instincts against top competition but had injury problems in college. Yea, makes perfect sense to compare those two scenarios. Once Mark Hatley died Mike Sherman NEVER made a single good draft pick.

Played at a smaller program? Arkansas is part of the SEC as far as I know! When bashing someone else, you should have your facts straight, at the very least. When you don't you just look foolish!

What's even funnier is that Harrel played at Tennessee., which plays in ..GASP. the SEC!

[texaspackerbacker]

Neither Mike Sherman nor Ted Thompson should be judged on individual moves standing alone. They should be judged as a whole.

Ted's not having a good year this year. If it keeps up or spirals down he'll get the same treatment Sherman got for his downward trend. He'll probably get the same firing, the same fan treatment and we'll all have similar bad memories.

Considering the state of the team Ted gets more time (debate it if you will but it's a fact that the team is giving him more time and I think he deserves it). I think he's doing a really good job but all of that is yet to be proven to a point where he gets fired or celebrated. Right now we're at teh same back and forth (is he this or is he that) wall. I think he's this. You think he's that. We'll see but lets not sit here and crucify him for a one bad pick. Hell, lets not crucify him if he has half bad picks. That's the NFL. That's the draft.

And just to add to it, go back to Ron Wolf's 1st round history with the Packers. Jaml Reynolds, Terrell Buckley, Antuan Edwards and John Michels ring a bell? Wolf wasn't exactly a master of the first round either.

Not to dwell on the LUCK factor, but drafting is a perfect illustration of that too. Several of those first round flops--and conversely, several of the later round super picks--SEEMED just the opposite of the way they turned out at the time of the draft.

As for Harrell, maybe the negativists will turn out to be right, maybe not. It would be absolutely STUPID to give up on him too soon, though. This latest injury--this is the first I've even heard about it--may or may not even keep him out of any games. The only thing you gain by cutting him is a roster spot to put some other scrub D-Lineman or whatever. By keeping him, you at least give him one more chance next camp to show something resembling first round ability.

[hurleyfan]

The Minnesota Vikings took the most talented player in teh draft with the 7th pick. He slipped that far because of injury risk. Look how that turned out.

If I recall, AP had 1 injury in his career (shoulder) and we all know how many hits a running back takes..

Harrell had the majority of his college career marred by injury, and now it carries over into the big league..

I agree every GM misses on draft picks, whether round one, or round 6.. But with so much at stake with a D1, I say you don't pick an injury guy..

[Zool]

The Minnesota Vikings took the most talented player in teh draft with the 7th pick. He slipped that far because of injury risk. Look how that turned out.

If I recall, AP had 1 injury in his career (shoulder) and we all know how many hits a running back takes..

Harrell had the majority of his college career marred by injury, and now it carries over into the big league..

I agree every GM misses on draft picks, whether round one, or round 6.. But with so much at stake with a D1, I say you don't pick an injury guy..

Actually Peterson had an ankle problem in his sophomore season and a broken collar bone in his junior season. Harrell had an ankle problem in his junior season and a torn biceps in his senior season. I think he missed a game or 2 in his sophomore season for something nagging, but nothing much.

Its actually really close. Harrell just happened to be hurt a ton now while Peterson has only missed a few games.

[Iron Mike]

The Minnesota Vikings took the most talented player in the draft with the 7th pick. He slipped that far because of injury risk. Look how that turned out.

Dimitrious Underwood
Chris Hovan
Kevin Williams
Kenechi Udeze
Erasmus James

The Vikings spent a LOT of first-round draft picks on Defensive linemen. Look how that turned out. I count ONE that's actually worth a damn.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The Minnesota Vikings took the most talented player in teh draft with the 7th pick. He slipped that far because of injury risk. Look how that turned out.

If I recall, AP had 1 injury in his career (shoulder) and we all know how many hits a running back takes..

Harrell had the majority of his college career marred by injury, and now it carries over into the big league..

I agree every GM misses on draft picks, whether round one, or round 6.. But with so much at stake with a D1, I say you don't pick an injury guy..

Actually Peterson had an ankle problem in his sophomore season and a broken collar bone in his junior season. Harrell had an ankle problem in his junior season and a torn biceps in his senior season. I think he missed a game or 2 in his sophomore season for something nagging, but nothing much.

Its actually really close. Harrell just happened to be hurt a ton now while Peterson has only missed a few games.

Peterson actually showed a ton of ability and an even higher potential while in college. Harrell did not show anything in college that warrented him being picked as high as he was. Comparing Harrell's and AP's college careers is a joke.

[KYPack]

The Minnesota Vikings took the most talented player in teh draft with the 7th pick. He slipped that far because of injury risk. Look how that turned out.

If I recall, AP had 1 injury in his career (shoulder) and we all know how many hits a running back takes..

Harrell had the majority of his college career marred by injury, and now it carries over into the big league..

I agree every GM misses on draft picks, whether round one, or round 6.. But with so much at stake with a D1, I say you don't pick an injury guy..

I dunno.

Sometimes, it's worth it.

Anthony Munoz, 6 knee operations in College.

No major injuries and a HOF career in the Pro's.

Many teams passed on him bc the knee. Sometimes, you do gamble.

[Pacopete4]

The Minnesota Vikings took the most talented player in teh draft with the 7th pick. He slipped that far because of injury risk. Look how that turned out.

If I recall, AP had 1 injury in his career (shoulder) and we all know how many hits a running back takes..

Harrell had the majority of his college career marred by injury, and now it carries over into the big league..

I agree every GM misses on draft picks, whether round one, or round 6.. But with so much at stake with a D1, I say you don't pick an injury guy..

I dunno.

Sometimes, it's worth it.

Anthony Munoz, 6 knee operations in College.

No major injuries and a HOF career in the Pro's.

Many teams passed on him bc the knee. Sometimes, you do gamble.

with the money these 1st rounders are making these days, no you dont gamble on a guy who is a proven health risk factor... there are way more cases where a guy keeps getting injured than he does staying healthy...

[Pacopete4]

The Minnesota Vikings took the most talented player in teh draft with the 7th pick. He slipped that far because of injury risk. Look how that turned out.

If I recall, AP had 1 injury in his career (shoulder) and we all know how many hits a running back takes..

Harrell had the majority of his college career marred by injury, and now it carries over into the big league..

I agree every GM misses on draft picks, whether round one, or round 6.. But with so much at stake with a D1, I say you don't pick an injury guy..

I dunno.

Sometimes, it's worth it.

Anthony Munoz, 6 knee operations in College.

No major injuries and a HOF career in the Pro's.

Many teams passed on him bc the knee. Sometimes, you do gamble.

with the money these 1st rounders are making these days, no you dont gamble on a guy who is a proven health risk factor... there are way more cases where a guy keeps getting injured than he does staying healthy...