Packers just got unlucky this year

[SnakeLH2006]

There are many good points posted here: key injuries to defensive starters, not being able to win the close games, a couple of questionable officiating calls, etc.

Another factor has to be(and I don't mean to stir a "hornet's nest) is the absence of Favre as the team leader.

Let it be known that I feel Rodgers has overall done an admirable job as a first year starter. Sure, he has made mistakes but he has had many successes. He also displayed a considerable amount of physical toughness that some people questioned.

I have high hopes for his future as a very good starting QB for the Packers.

The fact is, that Favre was a team leader who inspired everyone around him. There is no way we could have expected Rodgers, a first year starter, to display the leadership that Favre developed over 16 years(17?) with the Packers.

Favre brought that charismatic leadership to the Packers that could have resulted in more wins this season. I am accepting the fact that he is gone. It had to happen some year. Unfortunately, it has been a tough season without Favre wearing the green and gold.

110% agree with everything you just said. Stats are not the end all with winning and losing. We've well outscored our opponents thus far, but have 5-8 to show for it. We are missing leadership, but that goes on TT for having such a young squad with few leaders to get us by in the "squeeker" losses.

Luck is nothing. Wins and losses is all that matter. Nobody whined last year when we lucked into some wins, so nobody should whine this year when we lost some close games. Leadership transcends those close games.

Stats are only fun when you are winning. Better luck next year, but the hell if luck should equate why we are 5-8.

[pack4to84]

No one even posted about the Saints being without the best OL which happens to be there pro bowl LT vs bears. Most of the pressure that effected Brees was from the left side of the line, by Alex Brown.

[RashanGary]

Last year I thought the Packers were not as good as their record. I thought they got very fortunate, caught some scheduling breaks and were very healthy. I remember bulldog and I both saying it as the season wound down. We both thought they didn't belong. I was suprsied how well they played Seattle but then again, Seattle was a team ready to drop off the face of relevency too. After Jolly went down, our defensive line was exposed for what it is. A bunch of decent players that need depth if they are to have a chance. This year we went in with even less depth so I thought we would struggle.

This year I think the Packers are a little better than their record. Their DL is a real, real problem so I can't say I think they're much better. The good thing is that the majority of the team has a bunch of good, young players (many of which have shown signs of being legit).

TT has to fortify that DL one way or another though. Also, Rodgers has to continue to work hard and grow as a QB and the Packers should come into next year the favorite to win this division. If we do not turn over our DL and continue to strengthen the OL, we'll never get anywhere. Our team is good everywhere but the trenches. That's good because the problems aren't everywhere and focusing on the fix should be easier. It's a bad thing because those guys are rare and expensive.

This down season can be a blessing in disguise if we can turn it into a legit star. The Hawk/Jennings draft showed us that you don't have to have a top 5 pick to get a great player and if you have one it doesn't mean shit. TT can either trade back and get two shots in the area of the draft Jennings went (the best area of the draft IMO) or if he feels there is a stud he can sit tight and pick. Regardless, we need a stud and I really hope he plays either DL or OT.

[texaspackerbacker]

I see some people still aren't willing to accept the obvious--bad luck--this is a snake-bit season.

Sure, we have some weaknesses in the O-Line and D-Line ..... and linebacker and safety and earlier at RB and corner, even a slight shortage at WR for a few games. How can you call that anything but LUCK?

And as KY pointed out, there has been some other "shitty" luck too--just enough to cost us games in several cases. And yeah, things went the other way last season. I was reluctant to admit it before the season, just like a lot of negativists are hesitating to admit it now, but we had great luck last season--scheduling, injuries, close games. And this year is in the toilet because that LUCK has gone the other way.

And don't tell me good teams overcome it. There have been a lot of major disappointments this season. We play possibly the worst of those next Sunday. Sure, it isn't all luck, but I'm just saying, pvercoming adversity is something that usually doesn't happen--and when it does, there's often an element of LUCK there too.

[sheepshead]

I disagree. You have to face the facts and just realize that this team has lost those close games because we have too many weaknesses on the d-line. We need a better d-line and o-line before we'll ever be considered really contenders. The o-line may already have the players on the roster and just need to gel, but the d-line is horrible.

I'm not saying the team is bad, but we need some impact players on the d-line before we go anywhere. Hopefully TT realizes that this team is close and goes for a bid catch in free agency. This team has a lot of pieces in place for a championship run, but plain drafting and waiting for players to develop will not cut it anymore. With a good draft and a stud addition to the d-line in free agency and we could be on to something next year.

If we were getting our ass handed to us, I'd say it was personnel. We're not. It has nothing to do with the general manager. It's coaching.

[prsnfoto]

I see some people still aren't willing to accept the obvious--bad luck--this is a snake-bit season.

Sure, we have some weaknesses in the O-Line and D-Line ..... and linebacker and safety and earlier at RB and corner, even a slight shortage at WR for a few games. How can you call that anything but LUCK?

And as KY pointed out, there has been some other "shitty" luck too--just enough to cost us games in several cases. And yeah, things went the other way last season. I was reluctant to admit it before the season, just like a lot of negativists are hesitating to admit it now, but we had great luck last season--scheduling, injuries, close games. And this year is in the toilet because that LUCK has gone the other way.

And don't tell me good teams overcome it. There have been a lot of major disappointments this season. We play possibly the worst of those next Sunday. Sure, it isn't all luck, but I'm just saying, pvercoming adversity is something that usually doesn't happen--and when it does, there's often an element of LUCK there too.

Tex you fucking crack me up!!!! If you believe this is all bad luck and not a lot of horrible planning and mismanagement from TT as far as depth and talent on the D side of the ball THEN you should have no problem believing it really is bad Karma because of Favre's whole family poking needles in voodoo dolls of TT back in Mississippi.!!!!!!!!

[prsnfoto]

I disagree. You have to face the facts and just realize that this team has lost those close games because we have too many weaknesses on the d-line. We need a better d-line and o-line before we'll ever be considered really contenders. The o-line may already have the players on the roster and just need to gel, but the d-line is horrible.

I'm not saying the team is bad, but we need some impact players on the d-line before we go anywhere. Hopefully TT realizes that this team is close and goes for a bid catch in free agency. This team has a lot of pieces in place for a championship run, but plain drafting and waiting for players to develop will not cut it anymore. With a good draft and a stud addition to the d-line in free agency and we could be on to something next year.

If we were getting our ass handed to us, I'd say it was personnel. We're not. It has nothing to do with the general manager. It's coaching.

I agree with half of you the other half needs some work.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I disagree. You have to face the facts and just realize that this team has lost those close games because we have too many weaknesses on the d-line. We need a better d-line and o-line before we'll ever be considered really contenders. The o-line may already have the players on the roster and just need to gel, but the d-line is horrible.

I'm not saying the team is bad, but we need some impact players on the d-line before we go anywhere. Hopefully TT realizes that this team is close and goes for a bid catch in free agency. This team has a lot of pieces in place for a championship run, but plain drafting and waiting for players to develop will not cut it anymore. With a good draft and a stud addition to the d-line in free agency and we could be on to something next year.

If we were getting our ass handed to us, I'd say it was personnel. We're not. It has nothing to do with the general manager. It's coaching.

Actually agree with you, but you can't really believe that we are a championship team with guys we have on the d-line do you? It’s a combination of both. A good d-line with the players we have in the back seven will shot this team from the bottom ten in the league to the top ten. We have like 20 ints without a pass rush, think of how good we could be if we could combined that with stopping the run and pressuring the QB.

[sheepshead]

I disagree. You have to face the facts and just realize that this team has lost those close games because we have too many weaknesses on the d-line. We need a better d-line and o-line before we'll ever be considered really contenders. The o-line may already have the players on the roster and just need to gel, but the d-line is horrible.

I'm not saying the team is bad, but we need some impact players on the d-line before we go anywhere. Hopefully TT realizes that this team is close and goes for a bid catch in free agency. This team has a lot of pieces in place for a championship run, but plain drafting and waiting for players to develop will not cut it anymore. With a good draft and a stud addition to the d-line in free agency and we could be on to something next year.

If we were getting our ass handed to us, I'd say it was personnel. We're not. It has nothing to do with the general manager. It's coaching.

Actually agree with you, but you can't really believe that we are a championship team with guys we have on the d-line do you? It’s a combination of both. A good d-line with the players we have in the back seven will shot this team from the bottom ten in the league to the top ten. We have like 20 ints without a pass rush, think of how good we could be if we could combined that with stopping the run and pressuring the QB.

It needs to be addressed-no question.

[texaspackerbacker]

I see some people still aren't willing to accept the obvious--bad luck--this is a snake-bit season.

Sure, we have some weaknesses in the O-Line and D-Line ..... and linebacker and safety and earlier at RB and corner, even a slight shortage at WR for a few games. How can you call that anything but LUCK?

And as KY pointed out, there has been some other "shitty" luck too--just enough to cost us games in several cases. And yeah, things went the other way last season. I was reluctant to admit it before the season, just like a lot of negativists are hesitating to admit it now, but we had great luck last season--scheduling, injuries, close games. And this year is in the toilet because that LUCK has gone the other way.

And don't tell me good teams overcome it. There have been a lot of major disappointments this season. We play possibly the worst of those next Sunday. Sure, it isn't all luck, but I'm just saying, pvercoming adversity is something that usually doesn't happen--and when it does, there's often an element of LUCK there too.

Tex you fucking crack me up!!!! If you believe this is all bad luck and not a lot of horrible planning and mismanagement from TT as far as depth and talent on the D side of the ball THEN you should have no problem believing it really is bad Karma because of Favre's whole family poking needles in voodoo dolls of TT back in Mississippi.!!!!!!!!

Did I ever say ALL bad luck? Hell No. Partly, probably mostly bad luck though? No question about it. Unless you believe the conditioning coach is negligent or something silly like that, the injuries are 100% bad luck. Catching teams at the good time of their season instead of when they are down? How is that not luck? Bad officiating? Near misses? Grant breaking big runs last year and getting brought down by the last defender this year? Crosby missing a kick he usually makes that costs a game? the Smith catch for Carolina and several similar instances? Sure, it ain't ALL luck, but are you gonna claim that it ain't in large part, bad luck?

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm reading a lot of bad words about Montgomery in here. From what I've seen, he's been almost as good as Kampman in pass rushing and a helluva lot better than Kampman against the run.

There would seem to be a strong chance Jenkins will be good as new for next season, and with LUCK, he won't get hurt again. Between him and Kampman and Montgomery and Thompson and possibly some help from Hunter, I think the Packers are well-stocked at DE.

[texaspackerbacker]

Opps. I meant to post this in the Cullen Jenkins thread.

I'm reading a lot of bad words about Montgomery in here. From what I've seen, he's been almost as good as Kampman in pass rushing and a helluva lot better than Kampman against the run.

There would seem to be a strong chance Jenkins will be good as new for next season, and with LUCK, he won't get hurt again. Between him and Kampman and Montgomery and Thompson and possibly some help from Hunter, I think the Packers are well-stocked at DE.

[KYPack]

I'm reading a lot of bad words about Montgomery in here. From what I've seen, he's been almost as good as Kampman in pass rushing and a helluva lot better than Kampman against the run.

There would seem to be a strong chance Jenkins will be good as new for next season, and with LUCK, he won't get hurt again. Between him and Kampman and Montgomery and Thompson and possibly some help from Hunter, I think the Packers are well-stocked at DE.

Tex,

Montgomery has all of one sack and one move. He makes the same edge rush every time he goes QB hunting. The only thing I'd say real positive about him is decent motor and pretty fair against the run at times. He's not as good as Kamp in any department including the run.

Wrong thread?

Didn't notice.

Montcomery only makes the roster if we can't dig up a better RDE.

I hope like hell we do.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm reading a lot of bad words about Montgomery in here. From what I've seen, he's been almost as good as Kampman in pass rushing and a helluva lot better than Kampman against the run.

Montgomery has made a couple good plays in recent weeks, I think you may be drunk on these memories.

Watch Montgomery come off the ball, he is so slow it is painful to watch. The Packers started Jeremy Thompson ahead of him when they were both healthy, that says about all you need to know.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I'm reading a lot of bad words about Montgomery in here. From what I've seen, he's been almost as good as Kampman in pass rushing and a helluva lot better than Kampman against the run.

Montgomery has made a couple good plays in recent weeks, I think you may be drunk on these memories.

Watch Montgomery come off the ball, he is so slow it is painful to watch. The Packers started Jeremy Thompson ahead of him when they were both healthy, that says about all you need to know.

Montgomery and Kampman shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.