Official PACKERS vs. jags Gameday Thread

[Partial]

Man, you talk to fans of other teams and listen to the media and they all say Rodgers is exceeding expectations and is a good QB, and has a promising future in Green Bay.

You come to this forum and people talk about how much he sucks and how the offense sucks because of him and TT made the wrong choice and we need to find a new QB now.


Some people are just looney.

Not really. Listen to the media and you hear how great a player like Brian Urlacher is. Go to Chicago where they actually watch week in and week out and they think he is getting older and slower, and is no longer the leader of the defense.

Rodgers is an average player. He hasn't won a game yet when it mattered, and he has lost a few with bad plays. The offense is general has lost plenty, and the defense has lost one or two itself.

Quarterback is not a position to be taken lightly obviously. The first year starter bit is really old. Matt Ryan, a rookie, is outperforming a 4 year vet. Neither of these people should be able to use the rookie or first year player bit anymore... they're more than 75% done with a season.

If Rodgers is going to be just a guy (as he looks right now, despite his physical tools), they might have to look elsewhere. That would suck, but you will not annually compete if you're "just solid" at QB. We need a star.

[Gunakor]

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

Got that right!!

According to Partial the QB's job is to get it done at the end, so according to him, Favre must have been horrible.

No, the Quarterbacks job is to put points on the board. That is the exact opposite of the point I have been making.

Games are 60 minutes long. I don't give a shit what happens in the last minute, or even the last quarter. I'm smart enough to look at the game as a whole.

We gave up 20 points in 4 quarters. We scored 16 in as much time. That is completely unacceptable from the offense, and about to be expected in a solid defensive performance.

P, you should start giving a shit about the last minute or even the last quarter. That's when these games are being lost. If you started to care about the end of games maybe you'd see things for what they are.

Over the course of the season, how many points have we given up in the 4th quarter? The 4th quarter IS more important than the first 3. It just is. That's crunch time. That's when it's time to put up or shut up.

There was an interesting stat they showed on TV before the game started today, and it said the Packers have scored more points in the 4th quarter than in any other quarter. That they were the highest scoring team in the 4th quarter in the entire NFL. When it comes to crunch time, the offense shows up. Now, I'll bet you can guess how the Packers rank defensively in the 4th quarter...

[digitaldean]

I'm going off of what Fox said. They said we cleared the 100 point mark for our defense and special teams last week.

(total points - 100)/13 = 20.1. Now, we're < 20 using the numbers given to us by a professional, credible organization. I don't have the time to go look it up.

We're leading the league according to the same org in D & ST scoring, so there is something to be said for that.

After 14 games (from ESPN.com/nfl/standings section.....
371 points scored, 339 points given up

We are giving up 24.2 points a game defensively that ranks approx. 22nd in the league in points given up.

The first half of the season, the D was playing good overall. But this last 1/2 of the season they have failed.

And if you can't see that, it's just plain dumb dumb dumb dumb

[Partial]

Partial,

Just admit you were talking out of your ass, and move on.

I think you're incorrect. I told you how I came up with my number, yet I haven't seen where you are pulling your info from.

[HarveyWallbangers]

(355 total points - 63 points D/ST TD's)/13 = 22.2

Actually, it's 22.5 like I said earlier. 22.46 to be more precise.

[Brohm]

What physical tools is he lacking? He is no Favre but infinately better than the Wrights, Dilwigs and Kiels we have had to trot out there pre-Brett. He is a 24 y/o first year starter with upside. We also have developmental talent behind him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think you're incorrect. I told you how I came up with my number, yet I haven't seen where you are pulling your info from.

Hard to believe you can't figure this out.

[Partial]

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

Got that right!!

According to Partial the QB's job is to get it done at the end, so according to him, Favre must have been horrible.

No, the Quarterbacks job is to put points on the board. That is the exact opposite of the point I have been making.

Games are 60 minutes long. I don't give a shit what happens in the last minute, or even the last quarter. I'm smart enough to look at the game as a whole.

We gave up 20 points in 4 quarters. We scored 16 in as much time. That is completely unacceptable from the offense, and about to be expected in a solid defensive performance.

Christ are you this stupid in ral life. They gave up 14 pts in the 4th quarterand blew ANOTHER late lead. THE DEFENSE IS NOT DOING ITS FUCKING JOB. Quit making excuses for them just so you can bash Rodgers.

And where the blame on the offense? IF the offense built a bigger lead, then the defensive collaspe wouldn't have mattered.

Teams are going to score points in 60 minutes. It's a fact of life. Our offense evidently does not agree with this

I want Vanilla Bob gone as much as anybody... but to blame the defense is dumb.

How can you give the offense a free pass when tehy scored one touchdown? The defense gave up TWO touchdowns. That is completely acceptable in my book.

If we had won 55-20, you would be talking about what a great game the O and D played.

But, since our offense is inept, the defense gets the blame for giving up 20 points over 60 minutes.

[Partial]

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

Got that right!!

According to Partial the QB's job is to get it done at the end, so according to him, Favre must have been horrible.

No, the Quarterbacks job is to put points on the board. That is the exact opposite of the point I have been making.

Games are 60 minutes long. I don't give a shit what happens in the last minute, or even the last quarter. I'm smart enough to look at the game as a whole.

We gave up 20 points in 4 quarters. We scored 16 in as much time. That is completely unacceptable from the offense, and about to be expected in a solid defensive performance.

P, you should start giving a shit about the last minute or even the last quarter. That's when these games are being lost. If you started to care about the end of games maybe you'd see things for what they are.

Over the course of the season, how many points have we given up in the 4th quarter? The 4th quarter IS more important than the first 3. It just is. That's crunch time. That's when it's time to put up or shut up.

There was an interesting stat they showed on TV before the game started today, and it said the Packers have scored more points in the 4th quarter than in any other quarter. That they were the highest scoring team in the 4th quarter in the entire NFL. When it comes to crunch time, the offense shows up. Now, I'll bet you can guess how the Packers rank defensively in the 4th quarter...

I find that very hard to believe. Look at offensive scoring, and not off a HUGE turnover by the D. I'd say maybe 3 points per 4th quarter off the top of my head.

I simply do not believe that. We are inept on offense, and cannot get it done.

[dissident94]

since no one will answer my question

WE SCORED 3 POINTS IN THE 2ND HALF

BUT ANYONE CAN SEE THATS THE DEFENSES FAULT

[dabootski]

There was an interesting stat they showed on TV before the game started today, and it said the Packers have scored more points in the 4th quarter than in any other quarter. That they were the highest scoring team in the 4th quarter in the entire NFL. When it comes to crunch time, the offense shows up. Now, I'll bet you can guess how the Packers rank defensively in the 4th quarter...

i was just going to bring that up. pretty shocking statistic to see when you look back at how many games we have essentially lost in the 4th quarter.

[Gunakor]

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

Got that right!!

According to Partial the QB's job is to get it done at the end, so according to him, Favre must have been horrible.

No, the Quarterbacks job is to put points on the board. That is the exact opposite of the point I have been making.

Games are 60 minutes long. I don't give a shit what happens in the last minute, or even the last quarter. I'm smart enough to look at the game as a whole.

We gave up 20 points in 4 quarters. We scored 16 in as much time. That is completely unacceptable from the offense, and about to be expected in a solid defensive performance.

P, you should start giving a shit about the last minute or even the last quarter. That's when these games are being lost. If you started to care about the end of games maybe you'd see things for what they are.

Over the course of the season, how many points have we given up in the 4th quarter? The 4th quarter IS more important than the first 3. It just is. That's crunch time. That's when it's time to put up or shut up.

There was an interesting stat they showed on TV before the game started today, and it said the Packers have scored more points in the 4th quarter than in any other quarter. That they were the highest scoring team in the 4th quarter in the entire NFL. When it comes to crunch time, the offense shows up. Now, I'll bet you can guess how the Packers rank defensively in the 4th quarter...

No shit the defense is scoring more in the 4th...

Look at how few points offensively we've scored in the 4th? Not many. Probably near the bottom of the league.

Without a doubt, we're a first half team.

Again, they just showed the stat on TV. The Packers are the top scoring team in the NFL in the 4th quarter. Go find a source that proves me and them wrong.

[Fred's Slacks]

I agree that the offense needs to take a lot of the blame for this week but it falls on the short yardage execution and the ground game. We had at least 3 drives today were we had 3rd and short and couldn't convert. That's not on Rodgers. Give me a break with the excuse that they don't respect the deep pass. Rodgers has no problem hitting the deep pass as he showed again today. The passing game was solid. We kept gaining 9 yards on first down only to loose yards on second and third. The oline and RB need to convert those. That's why we didn't score in the second half.

[Partial]

What physical tools is he lacking? He is no Favre but infinately better than the Wrights, Dilwigs and Kiels we have had to trot out there pre-Brett. He is a 24 y/o first year starter with upside. We also have developmental talent behind him.

He has all the physical talent in the world.

He's surprisingly spry and athletic. He has a big time arm.

The first year starter bit is getting old. This is his 4th year, and he has now played an entire season. How many more games does he get a free pass?

[Gunakor]

I agree that the offense needs to take a lot of the blame for this week but it falls on the short yardage execution and the ground game. We had at least 3 drives today were we had 3rd and short and couldn't convert. That's not on Rodgers. Give me a break with the excuse that they don't respect the deep pass. Rodgers has no problem hitting the deep pass as he showed again today. The passing game was solid. We kept gaining 9 yards on first down only to loose yards on second and third. The oline and RB need to convert those. That's why we didn't score in the second half.

Excellent observation.