What Rodgers has and hasn't done in the 4th quarter

[Patler]

A lot has been focused on the fact that Rodger has not engineered a two-minute win, and it is true, he hasn't. But what is overlooked is that he has moved the offense late in the game to go ahead and tying scores.

Rodgers has moved the offense to scores that tied the game or took a lead at:

5:40 of the 4th
3:08 of the 4th
2:00 of the 4th
5:35 of the 4th.
He also moved the team to a go ahead FG attempt at the 0:31 mark against MN, after having gotten a FG at the 6:00 mark to increase the lead to 6 points.

The Packers have managed to lose all of those games.

So, while he has failed in his last ditch efforts to get yet another score, he has not been totally ineffective in coming from behind in the 4th quarter to tie the game or get a lead. He has done it in 5 games, and has done it more than once in a couple.

If the defense had held, Rodgers could easily have a few 4th quarter comeback wins to his credit.

[Kiwon]

The defense, or the lack there of, will be the main story of 2008.

[channtheman]

Rodgers is being asked to do the impossible by some of the guys on this board. I have never seen another QB held up to the scrutiny that Rodgers is being held to. Even Brady from last year would not have been good enough for this team as the defense would just give it right back up.

[digitaldean]

Re: What Rodgers has and hasn't done in the 4th quarter

A lot has been focused on the fact that Rodger has not engineered a two-minute win, and it is true, he hasn't. But what is overlooked is that he has moved the offense late in the game to go ahead and tying scores.

Rodgers has moved the offense to scores that tied the game or took a lead at:

5:40 of the 4th
3:08 of the 4th
2:00 of the 4th
5:35 of the 4th.
He also moved the team to a go ahead FG attempt at the 0:31 mark against MN, after having gotten a FG at the 6:00 mark to increase the lead to 6 points.

The Packers have managed to lose all of those games.

So, while he has failed in his last ditch efforts to get yet another score, he has not been totally ineffective in coming from behind in the 4th quarter to tie the game or get a lead. He has done it in 5 games, and has done it more than once in a couple.

If the defense had held, Rodgers could easily have a few 4th quarter comeback wins to his credit.

Thank you, Patler. Now if some can actually see through the anger at TT, AR and MM they might be able to see the point.

[cpk1994]

Re: What Rodgers has and hasn't done in the 4th quarter

A lot has been focused on the fact that Rodger has not engineered a two-minute win, and it is true, he hasn't. But what is overlooked is that he has moved the offense late in the game to go ahead and tying scores.

Rodgers has moved the offense to scores that tied the game or took a lead at:

5:40 of the 4th
3:08 of the 4th
2:00 of the 4th
5:35 of the 4th.
He also moved the team to a go ahead FG attempt at the 0:31 mark against MN, after having gotten a FG at the 6:00 mark to increase the lead to 6 points.

The Packers have managed to lose all of those games.

So, while he has failed in his last ditch efforts to get yet another score, he has not been totally ineffective in coming from behind in the 4th quarter to tie the game or get a lead. He has done it in 5 games, and has done it more than once in a couple.

If the defense had held, Rodgers could easily have a few 4th quarter comeback wins to his credit.

Wow, an almost forum wide Patlerizing. Impressive. Most impressive.

[th87]

If you really want to see idiots, check out the ESPN conversations.

[Patler]

Other QBs late game performance in winnable games

Oops, I posted in the wrong thread!

[channtheman]

I'm just wondering why Partial hasn't posted his response to this yet. In the time after this topic was created, he just made another topic about the same thing about how it's all the QB all the time. Why doesn't he come and respond in this one though?

[cpk1994]

I'm just wondering why Partial hasn't posted his response to this yet. In the time after this topic was created, he just made another topic about the same thing about how it's all the QB all the time. Why doesn't he come and respond in this one though?

He won't respond to a thread that kills his insane blaming of Rodgers.

[Partial]

I'm just wondering why Partial hasn't posted his response to this yet. In the time after this topic was created, he just made another topic about the same thing about how it's all the QB all the time. Why doesn't he come and respond in this one though?

He won't respond to a thread that kills his insane blaming of Rodgers.

Actually, you're both wrong.

As I have said at least 100 times.. Football is a 60 minute game. It's very good that he has lead scoring drives down with a few minutes left.

If he had put up points earlier in the games, this wouldn't happen and he wouldn't be required to rely on the defense.

Any way that you want to slice it, the offense is struggling majorly. Just as bad, if not worse then, the defense.

[cpk1994]

I'm just wondering why Partial hasn't posted his response to this yet. In the time after this topic was created, he just made another topic about the same thing about how it's all the QB all the time. Why doesn't he come and respond in this one though?

He won't respond to a thread that kills his insane blaming of Rodgers.

Actually, you're both wrong.

As I have said at least 100 times.. Football is a 60 minute game. It's very good that he has lead scoring drives down with a few minutes left.

If he had put up points earlier in the games, this wouldn't happen and he wouldn't be required to rely on the defense.

Any way that you want to slice it, the offense is struggling majorly. Just as bad, if not worse then, the defense.

Good god, your excusaing the defense is downeright laughable. How many leads does ther defense need to blow before you finally blame them for it?: ANd cutout the bullshit excuses in order to blame ARod for once.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Any way that you want to slice it, the offense is struggling majorly. Just as bad, if not worse then, the defense.

See my thread about the 2nd half scoring. The offense is just shy of average in scoring, the defense is atrocious in points allowed.

[Pacopete4]

Any way that you want to slice it, the offense is struggling majorly. Just as bad, if not worse then, the defense.

See my thread about the 2nd half scoring. The offense is just shy of average in scoring, the defense is atrocious in points allowed.

but like you also posted with that were 5 teams who will be in the playoffs that were out scored in the 2nd half mainly because there QBs are just better right now... no one on here that i can see is letting the D off the hook but mainly everyone here is ok with mediocre Rodgers meanwhile studs like Cutler and Ryan and so on are over coming their D and getting the job done when it matters the most..

[Cheesehead Craig]

Any way that you want to slice it, the offense is struggling majorly. Just as bad, if not worse then, the defense.

See my thread about the 2nd half scoring. The offense is just shy of average in scoring, the defense is atrocious in points allowed.

but like you also posted with that were 5 teams who will be in the playoffs that were out scored in the 2nd half mainly because there QBs are just better right now... no one on here that i can see is letting the D off the hook but mainly everyone here is ok with mediocre Rodgers meanwhile studs like Cutler and Ryan and so on are over coming their D and getting the job done when it matters the most..

We've outscored 3 of those 5 teams (so it's not logical to say their QBs are better), however our defense has given up more points then any of them. While the offense isn't lighting anyone up, the defense has done more than it's fair share of allowing points.

[Patler]

It really is very simple, it is a 60 minute game for the offense, defense and special teams. Late game failures are just the most prominent aspect of it.

The Packer offense has failed in opportunities to win at the end of the game.
The Packer defense has failed to hold leads and ties at the end of the game.

In 60 minutes of the game, the Packers are 5th in scoring at 371. #1 has scored 390.
In 60 minutes of the game, the Packers are 21st in points allowed at 339. #1 team has allowed 192.
Offensively the Packers are 10th in yds/game at 343/game, with #1 at 402/game.
Defensively the Packers are 24th in yds/game at 345/game, with #1 at 239/game.

Looking at the games as 60 minute endeavors, does the problem appear to be more in scoring points or in allowing points to be scored? Does the problem appear to be more in gaining yards or in allowing yards to be gained? Is the problem more on offense or on defense?

If the Packers were the #1 scoring team and the defense stayed the same as it is, would it have more of an impact than if they were the #1 team in least points allowed and the offense stayed as it is?