Draft position? Interesting outlook now...

[rbaloha1]

Taylor Mays or Ray Maulauga (sp?)

[bobblehead]

Thanks for the outlook. 9 or 10 looks like a good place to be if a lot of the juniors come out that they are projecting.

DE Everette Brown, DT Mount Cody and OT Eugene Monroe are all being talked about in that area of the draft. While the draft publications can be greatly off at the end of the first - the rest of the draft, they are usually pretty accurate in the top 10 or so. Assuming ESPN is close to reality, it looks like best player could meet one of our biggest needs.

I'm hoping for Everette Brown but I'd be damn happy with the other two as well. I'd take a stud anywhere (cept receiver or QB) but I'm really hoping it's one of the need areas this year.

Cody is interesting but I wouldn't risk a top ten pick on an overweight defensive tackle no matter how talented. It never seems to work out.

I could care less if the Packers win in Chicago, but if they pack it in against an 0-15 team two weeks from now poor Jim Rome will go on a shooting spree. I don't want that.

Even if he goes on a shooting spree some washed up QB will bitch slap him before anyone gets hurt.

[Sef0r]

Well I for one would rather they try and win the next two games, I am not all for them loosing to gain an extra spot in the draft. Our move up the draft order is very minimal if we loose the next two and our drop has the potential to be very minimal too if we WIN the next two.

I would rather kick the crap out of the Bears and Lions to end the season smiling and get a 12th round pick then loose then next two and esentially be angry until next season. I am upset now for not making the playoffs, but I would be angry if we lost the next two....no matter how bad our defense is now.

My own personaly opinion. DT would probably be a priority for TT, you don't have depth there and you need to stop the run next year.

[cpk1994]

If I'm looking at a losing season season and need a stud, I'm going to go ahead and lose both of those games. Movin' on up is worth a LOT at the top of round 1.

Congratulations on insulting every player in the locker room. I think Herm Edwards said it the best:

"You play to win the DAMN game!"

Your loser BS shows that it is a good thing your are not a head coach. Or a GM for that matter.

If MM gets these guys to rally when it would be best for us to lose to get a higher pick, then how come he wasn't able to do that in any of our other 6 close losses. In this one, just lose out and get a better pick.

This has to be the most moronic things I have ever heard. What kind of message to the players by telling them to lose? You play to WIN every week regardless of circumstance. Your post points out why I would never want you for a football coach.

[DonHutson]

I'd rather have two wins, some positive momentum, a little bit of resurgant optimism, and the #12 pick than two losses, a crapactular losing streak that carries into next year, a dark cloud over the off-season, and pick #9 - or whatever we'd end up with.

[Bretsky]

I'd rather have two wins, some positive momentum, a little bit of resurgant optimism, and the #12 pick than two losses, a crapactular losing streak that carries into next year, a dark cloud over the off-season, and pick #9 - or whatever we'd end up with.

Even if it swayed MM's decision and he kept Vanilla Bob ?

[pbmax]

I'd rather have two wins, some positive momentum, a little bit of resurgant optimism, and the #12 pick than two losses, a crapactular losing streak that carries into next year, a dark cloud over the off-season, and pick #9 - or whatever we'd end up with.

Even if it swayed MM's decision and he kept Vanilla Bob ?

Bob wasn't too vanilla yesterday, but in true fashion it killed us. Had he run his normal 4-3 Over, we would have been fine.

If he goes, they all need to go because its become clear we cannot play another form of defense at the current time. My fear now is that Sanders will be the sacrificial lamb but other incompetents will stay. The excuse will be injuries and the fact that it is hard to change your defensive scheme mid-season even when faced with holes due to injuries.

Its a tough one. I wouldn't want to have to evaluate the coaching staff on the defensive side with this many injuries. The only place its clear cut is that we are short of players on the D line. But is it Hairston and Dunn who are to blame?

[texaspackerbacker]

You people that are stupidly crying for a "more aggressive" D Coordinator are gonna be disappointed. Even if McCarthy yields to the whiners and gets rid of Sanders, he's not going to get some half-wit who favors a scheme that McCarthy himself doesn't like--overdoing the damn blitzing, zone instead of man coverage, or whatever other idiocy some in here want to see.

[Bretsky]

You people that are stupidly crying for a "more aggressive" D Coordinator are gonna be disappointed. Even if McCarthy yields to the whiners and gets rid of Sanders, he's not going to get some half-wit who favors a scheme that McCarthy himself doesn't like--overdoing the damn blitzing, zone instead of man coverage, or whatever other idiocy some in here want to see.

There are some brilliant DC's that will come available Tex; we don't have one

Some of them favor the blitzing more than others; either way we are due for an upgrade there

[cheesner]

You people that are stupidly crying for a "more aggressive" D Coordinator are gonna be disappointed. Even if McCarthy yields to the whiners and gets rid of Sanders, he's not going to get some half-wit who favors a scheme that McCarthy himself doesn't like--overdoing the damn blitzing, zone instead of man coverage, or whatever other idiocy some in here want to see.

There are some brilliant DC's that will come available Tex; we don't have one

Some of them favor the blitzing more than others; either way we are due for an upgrade there

The problem is not that we are too 'vanilla' it is that the players are not very disciplined in their assignments. They goof on assignments, they don't play with sound fundamentals, and they just don't appear to be a cohesive aggressive unit.

Simply put: the Packer defense does not appear to be well coached. Bates did a better job with less talent in an identical scheme.

[pack4to84]

I want the Packers to win out beat those bears and lions. finish 5-1 in the division. Like Mike Holmgren said when he was here win your division first. TT will take the best talent available at the time we draft. The top of the draft is full of DE so he might trade down a few spots if he wants a DE. I think he might go CB in first rd. I also think that Woodson will be starting at SS next year. He looks good playing that position. That is why I think TT goes CB first rd taking Malcolm or Vontae.

[RashanGary]

Bob wasn't too vanilla yesterday, but in true fashion it killed us. Had he run his normal 4-3 Over, we would have been fine.

If he goes, they all need to go because its become clear we cannot play another form of defense at the current time. My fear now is that Sanders will be the sacrificial lamb but other incompetents will stay. The excuse will be injuries and the fact that it is hard to change your defensive scheme mid-season even when faced with holes due to injuries.

Its a tough one. I wouldn't want to have to evaluate the coaching staff on the defensive side with this many injuries. The only place its clear cut is that we are short of players on the D line. But is it Hairston and Dunn who are to blame?

Well said. I'm OK if we have something better lined up than Sanders but let's not pretend like he did all of this. We lost three of our top 6 defensive lineman from a year ago and had nobody to replace them. It's similar to lsoing Rivera and Wahle. It hurts.

[run pMc]

This is the Bears and the winless Lions -- imagine the embarassment of losing to an 0-15 club -- and people are talking about throwing the game? What is that?
I'd rather see GB win...especially since it comes down to 2 or three spots in the draft order.
I have no idea who TT will draft in R1; of course it will "BPA". For grins I'm going to throw out an idea: TT drafts a Safety.

I'll shake up the snow globe and predict TT spends a few more picks on OL & DL, and stuns PackerNation by signing a free agent TE to push the unspectacular duo of Humphrey/Finley for a roster spot.

[cpk1994]

You people that are stupidly crying for a "more aggressive" D Coordinator are gonna be disappointed. Even if McCarthy yields to the whiners and gets rid of Sanders, he's not going to get some half-wit who favors a scheme that McCarthy himself doesn't like--overdoing the damn blitzing, zone instead of man coverage, or whatever other idiocy some in here want to see.

First of all find me one poster who wants a blitz happy scheme. Then find me one poster who wants heavy zone. All we want is someone who can be creative and suprise the opponents offense. When you have players on other teams come out and say nothing the Packers D does suprises them and that everything they see , they saw on film, that is an indictment of the DC and his failure to try to mix things up and get the opposing O guessing. Bob Sanders is incompetent and needs to go. Keeping him becuase you don't want to change the scheme is a mistake.

[Freak Out]

Ok...you are the GM, on the clock and these four guys are there for you....who do you take?

DE/OLB, Brian Orakpo, Texas

OT, Andre Smith, Alabama (JR)

OT, Jason Smith, Baylor

DT, B. J. Raji, Boston College

You can assume we fired Sanders and switched to a 3-4 if you like.