Another QB's late game performances

[Patler]

Lest we think Rodgers failures are something we haven't seen in recent years, with the team having opportunities within a single score (FG or TD) of a tie or lead, the last possessions went this way:

Game 1 - Interception, FG, interception.
Game 2 - QB fumble, QB fumble, interception, end of game.
Game 3 - Punt, interception.
Game 4 - Interception, FG.
Game 5 - QB fumble before punt, interception, downs, downs.
Game 6 - punt, interception, interception, interception, interception, punt, TD, end of game.
Game 7 - punt, missed FG, punt, FG.
Game 8 - interception, FG, interception.
Game 9 - Punt, interception, interception.

These 9 games were all lost, all in a single season. Some were lost by more than one score, but at one time late in the game the score was within 7 points or less. The QB was Brett Favre.

[channtheman]

Is this from the 4-12 season? I knew Favre hadn't been the best in his 4th quarter comebacks for a long time until last year and I always laughed at that stat because for like 5 years it was stuck on 32 4th quarter comebacks. I just didn't want to post it because everyone would think I'm trying to stir shit. Now I hope some people don't come here and tell us that we never blamed the defense on those games because it isn't the same.

[Deputy Nutz]

umm, how many wins does Favre have? Grow up. This season certainly isn't about Favre vs Rodgers. That was an argument for preseason, the fact is Rodgers has played above my expectations. He has kept the Packers competitive all season long, he has done his job for a first year starting QB.

Favre is cut out of a different mold, when he was a first year starter in 1992 he had several come from behind wins in the fourth quarter, right away I think of the Bengals game, and the Philly game where he won the game in the fourth with a seperated shoulder. I don't expect this out of Rodgers, simply because there is and will only ever be one Favre, just like there will be only one Bart Star.

Rodgers will carve his spot in Green Bay lore before his time in Green Bay is done, it just won't be for the 2008 season.

[Zool]

umm, how many wins does Favre have? Grow up. This season certainly isn't about Favre vs Rodgers.

Earth calling Nutz....come in Nutz.


Look around the board. Patler has an extremely valid point.

[Patler]

Ya, it was the 4-12 season. What bothered me at the time was the excuses I heard that "Favre was just trying to win" even though he made some terrible plays on early downs with plenty of time remaining and the score close. Several times it was his turnovers that put the game out of reach.

In fairness, Favre did have a comeback win that season against Detroit and he scored enough 4th quarter points to hang on against Atlanta and thwart their comeback attempt. But 9 times he had quite poor late game performances.

[Deputy Nutz]

umm, how many wins does Favre have? Grow up. This season certainly isn't about Favre vs Rodgers.

Earth calling Nutz....come in Nutz.


Look around the board. Patler has an extremely valid point.

Sure if you want to scribe out a small portion of Favre's career, go ahead. I mean really, I guess Favre was all bullshit anyways. If it makes all of you feel better to keep ragging the guy and talking down on him because he is no longer a Packer go ahead.

One losing season in 16 years as a starter with the Packers.

Rodgers one losing season in one year as a starter.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ya, it was the 4-12 season. What bothered me at the time was the excuses I heard that "Favre was just trying to win" even though he made some terrible plays on early downs with plenty of time remaining and the score close. Several times it was his turnovers that put the game out of reach.

In fairness, Favre did have a comeback win that season against Detroit and he scored enough 4th quarter points to hang on against Atlanta and thwart their comeback attempt. But 9 times he had quite poor late game performances.

That was a fucked up season all the way around. They were so close in so many games against good teams that they had no business playing competitive football against and yet Favre would overdue it. I think of the Bengals game again where he threw 3 or 4 picks, yet they only lost by 7 and the game was tied when Favre threw his last pick.

[Zool]

umm, how many wins does Favre have? Grow up. This season certainly isn't about Favre vs Rodgers.

Earth calling Nutz....come in Nutz.


Look around the board. Patler has an extremely valid point.

Sure if you want to scribe out a small portion of Favre's career, go ahead. I mean really, I guess Favre was all bullshit anyways. If it makes all of you feel better to keep ragging the guy and talking down on him because he is no longer a Packer go ahead.

One losing season in 16 years as a starter with the Packers.

Rodgers one losing season in one year as a starter.

Yeah thats obviously his point. Welcome back?

[Patler]

umm, how many wins does Favre have? Grow up. This season certainly isn't about Favre vs Rodgers. That was an argument for preseason, the fact is Rodgers has played above my expectations. He has kept the Packers competitive all season long, he has done his job for a first year starting QB.

Favre is cut out of a different mold, when he was a first year starter in 1992 he had several come from behind wins in the fourth quarter, right away I think of the Bengals game, and the Philly game where he won the game in the fourth with a seperated shoulder. I don't expect this out of Rodgers, simply because there is and will only ever be one Favre, just like there will be only one Bart Star.

Rodgers will carve his spot in Green Bay lore before his time in Green Bay is done, it just won't be for the 2008 season.

I am just trying to put some perspective on what can happen in the short time of a single season. People are getting all over Rodgers for failing to engineer comeback wins and I agree, he has failed. But, as I pointed out in another thread, 5 times in the last 6 minutes of losing games he has either tied the score (twice), gotten the lead (twice) or extended a lead AND gotten into position for a winning FG attempt (once). All for naught. As I am pointing out in this thread, in a single season even a future HOF QB can fail with the game on the line, again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again. (9 times, in fact!).

It's all a matter of looking at it with a frame of reference, because a team's failure or success at the end of a game is more than just the performance of the QB, it generally includes successes or failures by many players and the coaches.

[channtheman]

umm, how many wins does Favre have? Grow up. This season certainly isn't about Favre vs Rodgers.

Earth calling Nutz....come in Nutz.


Look around the board. Patler has an extremely valid point.

Sure if you want to scribe out a small portion of Favre's career, go ahead. I mean really, I guess Favre was all bullshit anyways. If it makes all of you feel better to keep ragging the guy and talking down on him because he is no longer a Packer go ahead.

One losing season in 16 years as a starter with the Packers.

Rodgers one losing season in one year as a starter.

This really isn't the point of the thread. It's more to say to the guys who think that Rodgers is the problem that Favre had way worse late game collapses in some games and he didn't even give the defense a chance to blow the lead.

[Patler]

umm, how many wins does Favre have? Grow up. This season certainly isn't about Favre vs Rodgers.

Earth calling Nutz....come in Nutz.


Look around the board. Patler has an extremely valid point.

Sure if you want to scribe out a small portion of Favre's career, go ahead. I mean really, I guess Favre was all bullshit anyways. If it makes all of you feel better to keep ragging the guy and talking down on him because he is no longer a Packer go ahead.

One losing season in 16 years as a starter with the Packers.

Rodgers one losing season in one year as a starter.

Subtlety is really lost on you, isn't it?
Read my immediately preceding post.

[Patler]

Ya, it was the 4-12 season. What bothered me at the time was the excuses I heard that "Favre was just trying to win" even though he made some terrible plays on early downs with plenty of time remaining and the score close. Several times it was his turnovers that put the game out of reach.

In fairness, Favre did have a comeback win that season against Detroit and he scored enough 4th quarter points to hang on against Atlanta and thwart their comeback attempt. But 9 times he had quite poor late game performances.

That was a fucked up season all the way around. They were so close in so many games against good teams that they had no business playing competitive football against and yet Favre would overdue it. I think of the Bengals game again where he threw 3 or 4 picks, yet they only lost by 7 and the game was tied when Favre threw his last pick.

Is this season really so different? In its own way it is as screwed up as 2005 was.

[Deputy Nutz]

umm, how many wins does Favre have? Grow up. This season certainly isn't about Favre vs Rodgers.

Earth calling Nutz....come in Nutz.


Look around the board. Patler has an extremely valid point.

Sure if you want to scribe out a small portion of Favre's career, go ahead. I mean really, I guess Favre was all bullshit anyways. If it makes all of you feel better to keep ragging the guy and talking down on him because he is no longer a Packer go ahead.

One losing season in 16 years as a starter with the Packers.

Rodgers one losing season in one year as a starter.

Subtlety is really lost on you, isn't it?
Read my immediately preceding post.

I was writing while you posted that. I guess I am not one of the people that is focusing on Rodger's supposed inability to win games in the 4th quarter, he has put the Packers ahead late in games, but I can only think of two maybe three games where Rodgers play could be considered the focal point in late game loses, the Tampa game, the Atlanta game, and the rest not so much considering the offense as a whole couldn't pull their head out of their ass and score touchdowns. You certainly can't blame Rodgers for the Carolina loss, this last loss, the Houston loss, or the Vikings loss although he wasn't having a very good game against the Vikings.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ya, it was the 4-12 season. What bothered me at the time was the excuses I heard that "Favre was just trying to win" even though he made some terrible plays on early downs with plenty of time remaining and the score close. Several times it was his turnovers that put the game out of reach.

In fairness, Favre did have a comeback win that season against Detroit and he scored enough 4th quarter points to hang on against Atlanta and thwart their comeback attempt. But 9 times he had quite poor late game performances.

That was a fucked up season all the way around. They were so close in so many games against good teams that they had no business playing competitive football against and yet Favre would overdue it. I think of the Bengals game again where he threw 3 or 4 picks, yet they only lost by 7 and the game was tied when Favre threw his last pick.

Is this season really so different? In its own way it is as screwed up as 2005 was.

Yes but reversed? playing down?

[Patler]

That was a fucked up season all the way around. They were so close in so many games against good teams that they had no business playing competitive football against and yet Favre would overdue it. I think of the Bengals game again where he threw 3 or 4 picks, yet they only lost by 7 and the game was tied when Favre threw his last pick.

Is this season really so different? In its own way it is as screwed up as 2005 was.

Yes but reversed? playing down?

Maybe, but I'm not sure they "played up" to good competition in 2005. Both years were a jumble of a few key injuries, the infamous "miscommunications" and key meltdowns in winnable games.