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Originally posted by MateoInMex
Just because he doesn't go after every Alan Faneca or Nate Clements that enters FA doesn't mean he doesn't dabble every once and a while and come out of it with a winner.
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We have a FA cornerback who is starting in this year's Pro Bowl, and is going for the 5th time in his career. One who was shafted the previous 2 years for a Pro Bowl nomination, but had earned his bid both years. Does he not count?
Just because he doesn't go after every Alan Faneca or Nate Clements that enters FA doesn't mean he doesn't dabble every once and a while and come out of it with a winner.Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow -
AGain that is bletently false. He went after Adam Vinetieri, one of the best kickers in the game. I wish people would quit spreading this "TT doesn't go after FA" bullshit. Becuase it is just that, bullshit.Originally posted by MateoInMexComment
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That's what gives me hope. It's not true that TT refuses to go UFA. He will. My concern is that he's too worried about paying "too much," whatever that is.
I think he'll make a play for AH. I'm just hoping he goes all in and doesn't fold when the bidding gets high.Comment
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I'm not opposed to him going all in, as long as all in doesn't mean more than we could afford after locking up players like Nick Collins and Greg Jennings. I would like to see AH in Green Bay as badly as anyone else, but not at the cost of losing one of our other stars as a result. There is a limit to how much money TT should spend.Originally posted by NoodleChuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to growComment
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Therein lies the dilemma for every GM, "Do I give this dollar to Peter or to Paul?"Originally posted by Gunakor
Bob Harlan said the first lesson he learned when he was put in charge of player contracts is one that he later instilled in every contract/cap guy in GB. Every term of every contract affects every other player in one way or another, and every dollar you pay to one player is a dollar not available for another.
If you can't afford Tom, Dick, Harry and Larry, do you want Tom and Harry or Larry, or do you want Dick, Harry and Larry, but no Tom?
Right now the Packers are in a decent situation with a lot of flexibility, but eventually some emerging players may have to be let go with big contracts on the horizon, just like Wolf let a number of excellent players leave in consecutive years, but with unknown but capable replacements waiting. You can afford only so many top dollar players.Comment
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It will also be interesting to see how much he damaged that knee of his. If the Titans don't throw money at him it's gotta make one pause...Comment
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Originally posted by Pugger
His knee should be fine.
Here's Florio's take:
HAYNESWORTH’S FREE AGENCY WAS ALREADY SEALED
Posted by Mike Florio on December 17, 2008, 8:02 p.m.
We’ve seen the reports that Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth’s election to the AFC Pro Bowl roster secured for him unrestricted free agency in 2009, since making the all-star team was one of the four triggers that prevents the Titans from slapping the franchise tag on him for a second straight season.
But here’s the thing — as a practical matter, Haynesworth already had won his freedom.
Once the Titans won their tenth game, Haynesworth had to participate in only 53 percent of the total snaps on defense for the year in order to avoid the franchise tender. Given that he started in each of the team’s first 14 games, the Titans would have to generate a physically impossible number of defensive snaps in the final two weeks to push Haynesworth under 53 percent.
The real question, as we see it, is whether the Titans will try to lock him up before he hits the market.
As we see it, the team is in a no-win situation. Selected in the first round of the 2002 draft, Haynesworth was a borderline bust in his first four seasons. He slid squarely into “turd” category in 2006, when he treated the forehead of Cowboys center Andre Gurode like a block of aged gouda.
Last year, with the promise of a gigantic payday staring in his face, Haynesworth suddenly became a monster. This year, with the opportunity to hit the market while at the same time making more than $7.25 million, he played once again like the guy he was expected to be coming out of the University of Tennessee.
But once he gets paid, what will happen? Will he, like several other defensive tackles who have cashed in, go soft? For the privilege of finding out, the Titans will have to fork over a ton of cash.
And if they let him walk, then he’ll likely have a chip on his shoulder in his new city. So if he plays like a beast in 2009, the Titans will look stoopid for letting him go.
The problem is that most fans don’t understand these nuances of the sport/business. Thus, the Titans likely will be pushed into overpaying for Haynesworth — and for assuming the risk that, once he’s financially comfortable, he’ll realize once again that banging bodies with other very big men really, really hurts.
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TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWERComment
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"But once he gets paid, what will happen? Will he, like several other defensive tackles who have cashed in, go soft? For the privilege of finding out, the Titans will have to fork over a ton of cash.
And if they let him walk, then he’ll likely have a chip on his shoulder in his new city. So if he plays like a beast in 2009, the Titans will look stoopid for letting him go.
The problem is that most fans don’t understand these nuances of the sport/business. Thus, the Titans likely will be pushed into overpaying for Haynesworth — and for assuming the risk that, once he’s financially comfortable, he’ll realize once again that banging bodies with other very big men really, really hurts."
This is what I think the posters who have the "go get him no matter what" mentality seem to miss. Is Haynesworth a guy who just took a long time to mature and develop? (If so, then all the Harrell haters need to quiet down.) Or is he a guy who's motivated only by the big payday which, once secured, will no longer be a motivating factor and will render him Shaun Rogers-like?
What if you throw mounds of cash at him, which later costs you Jennings or Collins? It'd be worth it, sure, if Haynesworth plays well and doesn't get hurt. But what if that knee acts up, or what if he just plain slacks off once he gets his payday?
I think it's a tougher call than people like to think."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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It's a shame.. I could care less how many guys the Packers have in the freaking ProBowl....ProBowls do NOT MATTER!!!! NEITHER DOES GUYS WHO GET SHAFTED IN PRO BOWLS!! Please don't tell me because TT showed up with a Brink truck to get Charles Woodson into Green Bay after Woodson was injured the majority of his career, TT gets vindicated.Originally posted by Gunakor
Readin what Charles Woodson said last night reiterates that point...Probowls don't matter, and he would trade that selection for a Superbowl apperance in heartbeat. I would rather the Packers in the playoffs than worrying about if Woodson is getting shafted or not for the ProBowl..who gives a shi??? Half the guys that get chosen don't want to go anyway...
Most on the JS Board thought initially was a bad move, including a lot of respected journalist pundits. It turned out that Woodson has remained relatively injury free, so it was a good signing. But 1 good off-season move in 4 years does not get you to Superbowls.
I disagree with TT's mantra that you only build teams through the draft, that's unfortunate because if you look at the change the Jets and Dolphins have done for example, they did it utilizing both. If you think TT is correct in trading down constantly for picks to build up depth...and not going to FA more than once every leap year, than a 5-11 team is what you might get.
There are good qualities about TT. I'd like to see him go to FA more often, Alan Foneca or Nate Clements may be good veteran leaders...something the Packers lack.Comment
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Dang it, Mateo, I like you, man, but what about Ryan Pickett? What about Brandon Chillar? And Woodson? And some of the ones he signed that didn't work out - that stiff offensive lineman a couple years ago?
And what about his high bids for Adam Viniateri? What about his offer of a third rounder for Gonzalez this fall?"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Soemtimes guys are late bloomers. Look at Kampman. Was he a lazy ass that performed to get paid? No. Sometimes Dlineman take a little time to get their strength and technique up to par.
The stomping thing was bad. He crossed the line, but I like the anger and resentment that he plays with. We need more of that, just keep it on the legal side of the line and all is good.
I'm a big proponent of Haynesworth. I was a proponent of Moss. I was a proponent of Gonzolez. Great players are not all that common. To make it as far as he has, he's obviously worked hard. Unless there are some other red flags that I'm not aware of it looks like a good move to me. TT will have to put this team over the hump somehow. It may not be with Haynesworth, but I think we have as good of shot as any team. I don't think many teams need him as badly or have the cash as we do. I wouldn't classify myself as a, "Hayensworth or bust" guy, but I think he's a great player and it's realistic to think we have a good shot.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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Originally posted by JustinHarrell
The Packers can likely outbid anyone so I'd say they have a great shot at him, or any other free agent.Comment
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Kampman was a tweener, a small defensive tackle, who needed to transform himself into an end, he needed to get quicker and faster off the line.Originally posted by JustinHarrell
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Just because TT puts in a bid for a free agent doesn't absolve him for not locking up said player. It is also the way he handled the situations, especially with Moss, Thompson and McCarthy all but lectured Moss about what it would be like in Green Bay, that he needed to be a good boy, and that Driver was still going to be their number one receiver. Moss said that after he got off the phone with them, that he no longer really wanted to go to Green Bay.Comment
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McCarthy and TT might be feeling a little pressure with the way the FAvre thing went down and the way the season went. Call me crazy, but I think they'll roll out the red carpet and open up the checkbook if they thought they could get a stud difference maker on teh dline.
I look at this DL and I feel panic. I look at Hayensworth and I see stud. I just think the stars are aligned here. I could be wrong. Probably I am, but fuck it just seems so common sensical that if a move is to be made, this is IT!!Formerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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