Haynesworth hits UFA

[Pacopete4]

Why do we need Haynesworth? I thought when everyone is healthy our Dline is good enough? I'm confused cuz thats the bullshit I've been reading for days on end around here that TT didn't mess up and our line was fine?

[Deputy Nutz]

I am not a big Haynesworth guy. I wish the Packers had a legit shot at Peppers. He is a high motor guy, and more importantly he is a defensive end, which I think is more important than a defensive tackle at this point.

[steve823]

DT >>>>>>> DE

This years drfat there are a couple great de's. Orakp or howver you spell it, everette brown, michal johnson..and not any dts that are top notch. Cody terrence isnt going to declare this year so if we get Haynesworth and draft a DE our d-line will go from zero to hero

[Patler]

Why do we need Haynesworth? I thought when everyone is healthy our Dline is good enough? I'm confused cuz thats the bullshit I've been reading for days on end around here that TT didn't mess up and our line was fine?

If it is my thread you are referring to, you must have a reading comprehension problem.

That is most definitely not what I proposed, nor did anyone else who responded in the thread to the best of my recollection. I very clearly and unequivocally stated that the situation for 2009 is far different than that of 2008.

[cpk1994]

Soemtimes guys are late bloomers. Look at Kampman. Was he a lazy ass that performed to get paid? No. Sometimes Dlineman take a little time to get their strength and technique up to par.

The stomping thing was bad. He crossed the line, but I like the anger and resentment that he plays with. We need more of that, just keep it on the legal side of the line and all is good.



I'm a big proponent of Haynesworth. I was a proponent of Moss. I was a proponent of Gonzolez. Great players are not all that common. To make it as far as he has, he's obviously worked hard. Unless there are some other red flags that I'm not aware of it looks like a good move to me. TT will have to put this team over the hump somehow. It may not be with Haynesworth, but I think we have as good of shot as any team. I don't think many teams need him as badly or have the cash as we do. I wouldn't classify myself as a, "Hayensworth or bust" guy, but I think he's a great player and it's realistic to think we have a good shot.

Kampman was a tweener, a small defensive tackle, who needed to transform himself into an end, he needed to get quicker and faster off the line.

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Just because TT puts in a bid for a free agent doesn't absolve him for not locking up said player. It is also the way he handled the situations, especially with Moss, Thompson and McCarthy all but lectured Moss about what it would be like in Green Bay, that he needed to be a good boy, and that Driver was still going to be their number one receiver. Moss said that after he got off the phone with them, that he no longer really wanted to go to Green Bay.

So its TT's fault that despite having the highest offer on the table to Adam Vinieteri, Adam tokk a LESSER deal to kick in a dome? ITs TT's fault that Lavar Arrington took a lesser deal to stay in the NFc East? PLeas stop with this "TT ddoesn't do FA" shit because you are making shit up.

[Bretsky]

Soemtimes guys are late bloomers. Look at Kampman. Was he a lazy ass that performed to get paid? No. Sometimes Dlineman take a little time to get their strength and technique up to par.

The stomping thing was bad. He crossed the line, but I like the anger and resentment that he plays with. We need more of that, just keep it on the legal side of the line and all is good.



I'm a big proponent of Haynesworth. I was a proponent of Moss. I was a proponent of Gonzolez. Great players are not all that common. To make it as far as he has, he's obviously worked hard. Unless there are some other red flags that I'm not aware of it looks like a good move to me. TT will have to put this team over the hump somehow. It may not be with Haynesworth, but I think we have as good of shot as any team. I don't think many teams need him as badly or have the cash as we do. I wouldn't classify myself as a, "Hayensworth or bust" guy, but I think he's a great player and it's realistic to think we have a good shot.

Kampman was a tweener, a small defensive tackle, who needed to transform himself into an end, he needed to get quicker and faster off the line.

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Just because TT puts in a bid for a free agent doesn't absolve him for not locking up said player. It is also the way he handled the situations, especially with Moss, Thompson and McCarthy all but lectured Moss about what it would be like in Green Bay, that he needed to be a good boy, and that Driver was still going to be their number one receiver. Moss said that after he got off the phone with them, that he no longer really wanted to go to Green Bay.

So its TT's fault that despite having the highest offer on the table to Adam Vinieteri, Adam tokk a LESSER deal to kick in a dome? ITs TT's fault that Lavar Arrington took a lesser deal to stay in the NFc East? PLeas stop with this "TT ddoesn't do FA" shit because you are making shit up.

TT has really been active in one year, a year in which he was sitting with over 35,000,000 in cap space and many many needs.

I'd argue TT has been relatively inactive in the other two....or 3 if you count year one but I give him a pass on that one since he had limited funds

[Fritz]

I believe part of the reason TT was not more active last year was that he didn't see holes in this team. He did see one at linebacker, though - and he signed Brandon Chillar, which was a good signing.

Outside of the defensive line, though, where do people want TT to be proactive? What other position do people think needs shoring up via free agency?

[Bretsky]

I believe part of the reason TT was not more active last year was that he didn't see holes in this team. He did see one at linebacker, though - and he signed Brandon Chillar, which was a good signing.

Outside of the defensive line, though, where do people want TT to be proactive? What other position do people think needs shoring up via free agency?

Depends how you view the players we have; TT probably thought we were just fine. We could have looked at OL, TE, QB, S, DT, or DE. The bottom of the roster can be upgraded too; sometimes that works out well if GB has injuries and they have to play........DL......

[Pugger]

I believe part of the reason TT was not more active last year was that he didn't see holes in this team. He did see one at linebacker, though - and he signed Brandon Chillar, which was a good signing.

Outside of the defensive line, though, where do people want TT to be proactive? What other position do people think needs shoring up via free agency?

It might not hurt to find a vet TE and/or O lineman. A big bruising RB wouldn't hurt either. It would be nice to have a big back that can move the pile and help get that 1 or 2 yards on 3rd and short...

[Gunakor]

Why do we need Haynesworth? I thought when everyone is healthy our Dline is good enough? I'm confused cuz thats the bullshit I've been reading for days on end around here that TT didn't mess up and our line was fine?

Paco, we don't use hindsight like you do. LAST offseason, our DL appeared to be fine. THIS year, we know it is not, but there was no way to predict this last March. Again, if TT doesn't address this problem now that he KNOWS it exists, he'll reap the blame for not doing so. The point is, Paco, that we didn't know a year ago what we know now, so we don't blame TT for not addressing a problem that did not appear to be a problem when he had a chance to address it. Last offseason, there didn't appear to be a problem. This year there absolutely DOES appear to be a problem, and every one of us is holding TT to the job of fixing it. If he doesn't, even the strongest of TT supporters will place blame on him for not getting it fixed. Do you understand the difference now?

[sharpe1027]

I disagree with TT's mantra that you only build teams through the draft.

I disagree that this is TT's mantra.

[sharpe1027]

It might not hurt to find a vet TE and/or O lineman. A big bruising RB wouldn't hurt either. It would be nice to have a big back that can move the pile and help get that 1 or 2 yards on 3rd and short...

It also would have been nice to have a 500 lb defensive lineman that could run a 4.2 40...