Rodgers most impressive qualities?

[packerbacker1234]

He doesn't make the dumb and careless decisions that in the always let the Packers down.

Yup; no 4th quarter INT's
Send me a pair of your blinders

Consider the position the team was in when the INT's were thrown.

Rodgers is pressing more than he should or normally would because the defense had just given up a lead he'd just gotten for them to hold. There's not much time left, so he's making throws he wouldn't normally make and take chances he wouldn't normally take. He's trying to make something happen, trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit - just like any good QB would.

I agree it's demoralizing, even to him, to have the defense give up the lead late. However, to claim there isn't much time left and so he needs to make throws he normally wouldn't, and take chances, is foolish. The guy has always had timeouts in his back pocket, and a minute and thirty seconds to go. He has never in that time been in a position where he needed to take chances. Both of his game ending ints came with plenty of time on the clock to win the game, no need to press.

This is where people are getting skewed: Yes the defense needs to get those stops, but Rodgers also needs to complete a 2 minute drive for a TD. He has in no way needed to take any chances thus far, and he did anyways. Why? He is thinking too much Like brett. He saw brett Hit some bombs last season in those situations and thinks he can, and should, do the same. In reality, He needs to keep attacking the middle for 15 yard passes like usual and drive up the field, spike the ball, and use the timeouts.

[Gunakor]

He doesn't make the dumb and careless decisions that in the always let the Packers down.

Yup; no 4th quarter INT's
Send me a pair of your blinders

Consider the position the team was in when the INT's were thrown.

Rodgers is pressing more than he should or normally would because the defense had just given up a lead he'd just gotten for them to hold. There's not much time left, so he's making throws he wouldn't normally make and take chances he wouldn't normally take. He's trying to make something happen, trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit - just like any good QB would.

I agree it's demoralizing, even to him, to have the defense give up the lead late. However, to claim there isn't much time left and so he needs to make throws he normally wouldn't, and take chances, is foolish. The guy has always had timeouts in his back pocket, and a minute and thirty seconds to go. He has never in that time been in a position where he needed to take chances. Both of his game ending ints came with plenty of time on the clock to win the game, no need to press.

This is where people are getting skewed: Yes the defense needs to get those stops, but Rodgers also needs to complete a 2 minute drive for a TD. He has in no way needed to take any chances thus far, and he did anyways. Why? He is thinking too much Like brett. He saw brett Hit some bombs last season in those situations and thinks he can, and should, do the same. In reality, He needs to keep attacking the middle for 15 yard passes like usual and drive up the field, spike the ball, and use the timeouts.

Most of his late INT's have come on the 15-20 yard patterns you say he needs to concentrate on. He doesn't throw bombs late in games like Favre would routinely throw to Greg Jennings. That's not the issue. He's throwing into heavy traffic, and that is an issue.

If you ask me, I'd say let him go deep once or twice in that situation. When Favre would go deep, how many guys did you see covering the guy who caught the ball? Just one. They aren't going to triple cover everybody 30 or 40 yards downfield. So take your shot there. Rodgers has a beautiful deep ball. Let him lay one in there if they are covering the 15-20 yard routes. Even if you don't connect, you'll back up the defense a tad making your short game easier. The opponent will have to respect the entire field then.

This is part of that predictability on MM's part that people love to complain about.

[SkinBasket]

And like you of all people should even talk about people overreacting. Should we bring up your cry baby antics about the PR game this year? Then there was the whole mod thing.

I don't overreact. I react. Several people were acting like cocksuckers. I don't like to hang out with cocksuckers. Thus, I didn't feel like going to the game. We saw strippers instead. They were nice people. And naked. They didn't tell me I couldn't talk about gays or Jesus. Instead, they were hospitable and entirely accepting. I think it was a great choice.

As far as the mods and Mad go, I can't control them (by them I mean Retail) acting like fucking morons.

You love the drama just as much as the rest of the peanuts that hang around here. That's what's defined this fuckhole since day one. And I'm assuming it's why Madtown goes back to the well so often.

Point is, you weren't "called out." Zool made a joke and you two attacked him like two starving harpies because you're so fucking on edge due to Brett's shitty month. You should really apologize. It would be the adult thing to do.

Merry new year.

[GrnBay007]

And like you of all people should even talk about people overreacting. Should we bring up your cry baby antics about the PR game this year? Then there was the whole mod thing.

I don't overreact. I react. Several people were acting like cocksuckers. I don't like to hang out with cocksuckers. Thus, I didn't feel like going to the game. We saw strippers instead. They were nice people. And naked. They didn't tell me I couldn't talk about gays or Jesus. Instead, they were hospitable and entirely accepting. I think it was a great choice.

As far as the mods and Mad go, I can't control them (by them I mean Retail) acting like fucking morons.

You love the drama just as much as the rest of the peanuts that hang around here. That's what's defined this fuckhole since day one. And I'm assuming it's why Madtown goes back to the well so often.

Point is, you weren't "called out." Zool made a joke and you two attacked him like two starving harpies because you're so fucking on edge due to Brett's shitty month. You should really apologize. It would be the adult thing to do.

Merry new year.

You are pretty funny skin. You talk about people here loving "drama"...omg, have you looked in a mirror lately? First off, your beef with Mad over what pics you can and cannot post is so flippin childish it amazes me. Sure, Mad made this place with very little rules/regulations, but he also said it was a place where the posters decided what goes. If you feel so harmed by certain sigs or avatars being taken down maybe you should make a poll on the subject. I'm about 90% sure people here really don't want to see some of that stuff....or really would rather it not be a subject of conflict at all, because they don't CARE. After all, it is a PACKER forum! It's pretty obvious you have an agenda. Who knows why you have this hard on for retail, but really, it's time to let it go.

Secondly, if you read everything in the forum you would understand why zool's comment may have been taken out of context. After a day full of personal attacks by one, JH, maybe people become a bit sensitive. And I would think he would have noted that before he fed the fire, after all, he is a mod.

And, seriously....and I mean this sincerely, with no insult. You complain more than anyone here. If it's that bad, why stay? I'm mean, really, you just called the place a fuckhole. If it's that bad.....in your mind, why put yourself through it ....unless of course, you might be the one that thrives on "drama".

To call GBR out is not right. From what I've been told she has been a host to several people for the last 2 posters game. That seems very thoughtless of you.

[Bretsky]

He doesn't make the dumb and careless decisions that in the always let the Packers down.

Yup; no 4th quarter INT's
Send me a pair of your blinders

Consider the position the team was in when the INT's were thrown.

Rodgers is pressing more than he should or normally would because the defense had just given up a lead he'd just gotten for them to hold. There's not much time left, so he's making throws he wouldn't normally make and take chances he wouldn't normally take. He's trying to make something happen, trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit - just like any good QB would.

If the defense doesn't disappear in the last 5 minutes of games, Rodgers is taking a knee during half of the drives he's thrown INT's this year. His QB rating on the year is over 100 because he's only thrown half as many INT's. There's no talk about him not being able to come back in the 4th quarter because he'd have several 4th quarter comebacks under his belt already. He'd be kneeling to victory.

If the defense held its ground with 5 minutes to go, and Rodgers would not have even had the opportunity to throw those 4th quarter INT's, would you feel the same way about AR as you do now?

I won't argue with much of anything you noted in here Gunakor; my comment to Shadow might have clouded the fact that I've been very impressed with AROD and like him as a short and long term QB. I'd probably not be grouped with some that are more negative toward AROD.
He does deserve a portion of the blame in some games but he has more than exceeded my expectations and I think he'll be a decent long term QB

However, Shadow has quite the history of bashing on our former QB and when he makes references to that I sometimes find myself helpless to throwing in a wise crack to match his.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Sure, Mad made this place with very little rules/regulations, but he also said it was a place where the posters decided what goes. If you feel so harmed by certain sigs or avatars being taken down maybe you should make a poll on the subject.

The ass kissing continues. Madtown makes few rules and regulations only in the sense that he wants to do whatever he feels like. His mood is the rule. The idea that "the posters decide" is a complete joke. He ignores polls whenever he disagrees with the outcome.

Skinbasket broke zero rules, he just did his usual, abnormal skinbasket thing, and the local rulers treated him like crap for their amusement and sense of machismo.

I'm not grinding any personal axes. I like Madtown, and Skinbasket is my sworn enemy till death do us part. Some day I hope to tea bag him.

You and Partial are dumb bunnies, with feces flecking off your twitching, black bunny noses. And that's what Madtown wants - toadies - which is his definition of "loyalty."

[Harlan Huckleby]

Secondly, if you read everything in the forum you would understand why zool's comment may have been taken out of context. After a day full of personal attacks by one, JH, maybe people become a bit sensitive. And I would think he would have noted that before he fed the fire, after all, he is a mod.

Zool's joke was tame and obvious.

And, seriously....and I mean this sincerely, with no insult. You complain more than anyone here. If it's that bad, why stay? I'm mean, really, you just called the place a fuckhole. If it's that bad.....in your mind, why put yourself through it ....unless of course, you might be the one that thrives on "drama" .

That's right, try and isolate and drive-out the non-believers.

[Harlan Huckleby]

whups, I almost forgot

[GrnBay007]

You and Partial are dumb bunnies, with feces flecking off your twitching, black bunny noses. And that's what Madtown wants - toadies - which is his definition of "loyalty."

I'm not "loyal" to anyone. I do, however, feel I'm a pretty good judge of people.

Now, since this is not Packer related, if you want to continue the conversation, go to RR or PM me...you cute little, annoying blue dog.

[Chevelle2]

He doesn't make the dumb and careless decisions that in the always let the Packers down.

Yup; no 4th quarter INT's
Send me a pair of your blinders

Please...

AR12-

Took the lead with 5:17 left against Detroit
Tied the game with 5:30 left against Tennessee
Took the lead with 1:57 left against Carolina
Tied the game with 5:56 left against Houston
Took the lead with 5:35 left against Jacksonville
Tied game until 3:16 left against Chicago

We are 1-5 in those games.

[Bretsky]

He doesn't make the dumb and careless decisions that in the always let the Packers down.

Yup; no 4th quarter INT's
Send me a pair of your blinders

Please...

AR12-

Took the lead with 5:17 left against Detroit
Tied the game with 5:30 left against Tennessee
Took the lead with 1:57 left against Carolina
Tied the game with 5:56 left against Houston
Took the lead with 5:35 left against Jacksonville
Tied game until 3:16 left against Chicago

We are 1-5 in those games.

No shit

But he has made some decisions in quarter four that hurt.

I'm not an AROD basher; but I'm not above letting the generalizations go without throwing something back either.

[SnakeLH2006]

I like his late game poise. This dude wins us games.

[esoxx]

He doesn't make the dumb and careless decisions that in the always let the Packers down.

Yup; no 4th quarter INT's
Send me a pair of your blinders

Please...

AR12-

Took the lead with 5:17 left against Detroit
Tied the game with 5:30 left against Tennessee
Took the lead with 1:57 left against Carolina
Tied the game with 5:56 left against Houston
Took the lead with 5:35 left against Jacksonville
Tied game until 3:16 left against Chicago

We are 1-5 in those games.

Wait. Didn't "The Packers" take the lead in those games?

But you say AR12.

Didn't I just read a lecture about how "The Packers" are 0-7 in games decided late and it is wrong to put it all on the QB (which I agree with BTW).

Some of you fucktards want it both ways.

[packerbacker1234]

He doesn't make the dumb and careless decisions that in the always let the Packers down.

Yup; no 4th quarter INT's
Send me a pair of your blinders

Consider the position the team was in when the INT's were thrown.

Rodgers is pressing more than he should or normally would because the defense had just given up a lead he'd just gotten for them to hold. There's not much time left, so he's making throws he wouldn't normally make and take chances he wouldn't normally take. He's trying to make something happen, trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit - just like any good QB would.

I agree it's demoralizing, even to him, to have the defense give up the lead late. However, to claim there isn't much time left and so he needs to make throws he normally wouldn't, and take chances, is foolish. The guy has always had timeouts in his back pocket, and a minute and thirty seconds to go. He has never in that time been in a position where he needed to take chances. Both of his game ending ints came with plenty of time on the clock to win the game, no need to press.

This is where people are getting skewed: Yes the defense needs to get those stops, but Rodgers also needs to complete a 2 minute drive for a TD. He has in no way needed to take any chances thus far, and he did anyways. Why? He is thinking too much Like brett. He saw brett Hit some bombs last season in those situations and thinks he can, and should, do the same. In reality, He needs to keep attacking the middle for 15 yard passes like usual and drive up the field, spike the ball, and use the timeouts.

Most of his late INT's have come on the 15-20 yard patterns you say he needs to concentrate on. He doesn't throw bombs late in games like Favre would routinely throw to Greg Jennings. That's not the issue. He's throwing into heavy traffic, and that is an issue.

If you ask me, I'd say let him go deep once or twice in that situation. When Favre would go deep, how many guys did you see covering the guy who caught the ball? Just one. They aren't going to triple cover everybody 30 or 40 yards downfield. So take your shot there. Rodgers has a beautiful deep ball. Let him lay one in there if they are covering the 15-20 yard routes. Even if you don't connect, you'll back up the defense a tad making your short game easier. The opponent will have to respect the entire field then.

This is part of that predictability on MM's part that people love to complain about.

Of his two game ending ints, one was a bomb down the right sidelines in double coverage to a WR that wasn't even remotely open. Again, your choosing what you want to use as facts. Sure, his other was over the middle: But it was a very poorly thrown ball. In fact, before that ball, like 3 plays earlier, another ball he threw hit a defender right in the hands.

Just saying, don't choose your facts. Of the two game ending ints, one was a forced ball to a double covered WR deep, with 2 timeouts in his pocket, a minute forty to go, and hte ball on his 35.

I am not dismissing that Rodgers had a good year, but he did take chances, deep down field late in games, when he had no need to. It's one thing to throw it deep one on one, as favre did last season late in games that won us a like 4 games last year. It's another to panic and just chuck it up, as he did. Also, his other int, was 25+ yards down field over the middle, with a major misfire. If he is on target with the pass, it might be a good play, but unfortunately he wasn't, just like earlier in the drive he threw another should of been pick 6 ball.

He needs to play with more calm in the clutch. Ice veins, if you were. Other games he simply just didn't get it done late. The last game, of course, wasn't his fault, but a fault of the coaching staff. Crosby shanked one in the game already, so don't go conservative. Did the giants go conservative in FG range against the Panthers on the game winning drive in OT? No. They went for the jugular, and were stilling getting closer, and closer.. till bam. TD, game. You never "settle" when you don't have too.

[SkinBasket]

I'm mean, really, you just called the place a fuckhole.

And that's bad why? Your perspective, not mine.

To call GBR out is not right. From what I've been told she has been a host to several people for the last 2 posters game. That seems very thoughtless of you.

You're entirely right here. The "new" rules seem to allow those who've offered some kind of tribu- I mean service in the real world to do whatever the fuck they want here, so I guess she's alright. It's only us poor slobs who don't buy game tickets or offer lodging that have to suffer the whims of those who did. So go on, GBR, abuse whoever you want in misguided rants, you've earned it.

I think what GBR does when people visit is great and astoundingly generous. Not many people would open their homes that way. But making that some kind of shield against reproach on the forum, while not without precedent, smells of bullshit.

I guess next year I'll have to be the one to shave Mad's back, then I'll be allowed to be myself here again.