DRAFTT !

[RashanGary]

Watch them play. I don't see any good NFL defensive ends that play like Orakpo. I see Orakpo getting punk slapped by even average NfL LT's. He can't get around college OT's and hell never be strong enough to overpower NFL OT's. He's going to be engulfed on the next level.

I see several that play like Everette Brown including our very own Aaron Kampman and Osi Umynieora. Pity the fool that passed on Osi becuase he's only 261. Brown has a lot of room to grow. He's just a pup yet. This isn't Jamaal Reynolds. Brown has the frame to pack on good NFL weight.

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i think if you get orakpo/brown in the first and then somehow manage to get a guy like raji at the top of the second you have the makings of one hell of a dominate line for years to come

of course all that would change in a heartbeat for me if Mt. cody declares

[texaspackerbacker]

I like the original idea here--getting Malcolm Jenkins. As they say, you can never have too many good corners, and in the case of the Packers, never too many great corners.

It's NOT going to be a D Lineman for several reasons:

First and foremost, I think Thompson is fairly satisfied with what he has there--even if a lot of others aren't, especially the outside pass rushers.

Second, getting anything other than a world class D-Lineman--a real Albert Haynesworth/Julius Peppers-type--would be no sure qualitative difference than what we have. And history shows, drafting somebody like that is tough. Super quality in college very rarely correlates with super quality in the NFL. To an extent, that's true with LBs also.

Thirdly, Thompson either just got burned with Harrell or else still has hope for Harrell. Either way, he ain't likely to go that route again.

We also are extremely unlikely to take an O Lineman in the high first round because the kind of guy you need in the ZBS is always going to be available lower down.

We also are pretty well stocked at linebacker, and I'm not all that convinced Maualuga is the best coming out. That can be misleading when you play with such great talent around you as he does with USC.

5-10 record notwithstanding, the Packers don't really have any obvious needs. I think we take an O Lineman or two second or more likely third or fourth or fifth. I think we take a D Tackle slightly lower--assuming we don't actually sign Haynesworth. I think we take a speedy RB in that same range as a change-of-pace type. I'd really like to see the Packers take Pat White or somebody very similar to get a capability for some spread or option type plays. I'm not holding my breath waiting for that, though. Safety, QB, WR, and TE are all extremely unlikely. Other than that, what else? A punter maybe? I doubt whether they use the draft for that.

[hurleyfan]

Everette Brown is my guy. I'm not sure how good Eugene Monroe is, but I'd love to get better at OT too.

Sorry JH, I hope we never draft another FSu D Lineman....

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I like the original idea here--getting Malcolm Jenkins. As they say, you can never have too many good corners, and in the case of the Packers, never too many great corners.

It's NOT going to be a D Lineman for several reasons:

First and foremost, I think Thompson is fairly satisfied with what he has there--even if a lot of others aren't, especially the outside pass rushers.

Second, getting anything other than a world class D-Lineman--a real Albert Haynesworth/Julius Peppers-type--would be no sure qualitative difference than what we have. And history shows, drafting somebody like that is tough. Super quality in college very rarely correlates with super quality in the NFL. To an extent, that's true with LBs also.

Thirdly, Thompson either just got burned with Harrell or else still has hope for Harrell. Either way, he ain't likely to go that route again.

We also are extremely unlikely to take an O Lineman in the high first round because the kind of guy you need in the ZBS is always going to be available lower down.

We also are pretty well stocked at linebacker, and I'm not all that convinced Maualuga is the best coming out. That can be misleading when you play with such great talent around you as he does with USC.

5-10 record notwithstanding, the Packers don't really have any obvious needs. I think we take an O Lineman or two second or more likely third or fourth or fifth. I think we take a D Tackle slightly lower--assuming we don't actually sign Haynesworth. I think we take a speedy RB in that same range as a change-of-pace type. I'd really like to see the Packers take Pat White or somebody very similar to get a capability for some spread or option type plays. I'm not holding my breath waiting for that, though. Safety, QB, WR, and TE are all extremely unlikely. Other than that, what else? A punter maybe? I doubt whether they use the draft for that.

if he really thinks our d-line is fine then we need to fire his ass right now before the draft and the start of free agency before he fucks the whole thing up

we've heard nonstop that you draft zbs linemen in the later rounds. well we've done that. and we now have a giant steaming pile of shit trying to protect a-rod. time to scrap that idea too as far as i'm concenred

as for malcolm jenkins, i'd be fine with him too. this is shaping up like 2 years ago where there were about 20 guys that i would have been happy getting in the first. and we end up drafting a fat tub of crap the can't, and never has, been able to stay healthy

[RashanGary]

Sorry JH, I hope we never draft another FSu D Lineman....

This is no shot at you, but rather at us "people".


This is an example of the weakness of the human brain. We tend to connect dots that should not be connected. One FSU DE stinking has nothing to do with the next FSU DE that comes along. Really, nothing.

[RashanGary]

I agree, Red. If I'm Mark Murphy and Ted comes into my office saying, "We're all set on the DL", I fire him right there without having a backup plan or even backup thought in line. After I fire him I'd yell some obscenities in his direction and probably try to fight him on the spot.

If Ted is that utterly misguided, I was completely wrong in supporting him as long as I have.

[b bulldog]

Ray Maualuga will be the best Dplayer in this draft. He reminds me of a more physical Junior Seau. I know we need Dlineman but could you imagine getting Haynesworth and have Maualuga in the middle? I hate any and all DL from FSU!

[b bulldog]

IMO, Brown would be a better fit in a 3/.4 scheme as an OLB. He is fast, athletic, and good in space. He is a tweener and had 6 of his 9 sacks for the year in his last 3 games. Orakpo had 9 sacks in his first 8 games, he than got hurt and hasn't been quite the same since. In all honesty, both guys have question marks imo.

[b bulldog]

Michael Johnson has the most potential imo but at 6'7", 250 lbs, he needs to add weight. He would be my pick of the three at the DE position. Brown would be third best imo.

[b bulldog]

Brown = Wimbley

[b bulldog]

Actually, all three have pretty big question marks in my opinion

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now that i think about it, i would really rather take a DE with the first pick

you get a stud all around DE that can get to the qb. you start him from day one and let him learn. then move cullen back to DT

now you've greatly improved two positions on the o-line.

imo jenkins is a much better tackle then he is an end

that then shores up our d-line and lets us focus our other high picks on other problems

[RashanGary]

Brown = Wimbley

I don't think he's even close. Wimbley looks like KGB. Brown has a very different build. Brown is built more like a Kampman or Strahan. Brown plays strong. Strahan was only 255 but he played big. Brown is that way. He's not huge but he plays big. Wimbley was nothing like that.

[b bulldog]

wHAT was meant was that both are best used in a 3/4 scheme at a olb position not a DE. In my opinion, he is not worth a top 10 pick, too many questions for a DE.