Should Grant be challenge next year?

[sharpe1027]

Re: Should Grant be challenge next year?

i didn't see the play...started watching in the second quarter. i'd like us to go back to the system we had when green was with us. now please don't tell me that was the zbs.

Nope, definitely not ZBS with Green, but they don't have the same players and coaches they had back then. Switching to that same scheme won't produce the same results.

I am not in favor of a drastic switch. If they were to switch, I would guess that it would be 2-3 years before they were able to get anywhere near effective production, if ever. They would need to get the right type of coaching staff, players and get them time working together as a unit.

ZBS schemes have produced some of the best rushing attacks in the league. Figure out what is being done wrong and fix it. Don't start from scratch.

[Patler]

I sort of like what Wynn can do when he wants to and isn't hurt. But the long run yesterday really wasn't too meaningful to me. He was not touched at all until a diving attempt at the goal line. No Lion was close to making a tackle or even slowing him up. It developed almost like a perfect punt return, with a wall set up along the sideline and the runner running untouched.

[Lurker64]

I'm not sure I understand the question exactly. Will the Packers give opportunities to running backs other than Ryan Grant next year? Yes. It's not as though teams have only one RB and run him into the ground until his legs fall off. Will Grant go into the season as the presumptive starter at RB? Absolutely, barring unforeseen circumstances. Is there a need to go after other RBs in order to deal with any perceived inadequacies in Grant's game? Nope. Between Grant, Jackson, Lumpkin, and Wynn I think we can put together a pretty serviceable trio. The time to speculate about which three of those guys is the best is probably several months from now.

[ND72]

if you are refering to Wynn being the guy to challenge Grant, then the answer is an easy NO.

[Gunakor]

Lots of backup RBs have done a good job in the past 2 years when given an opportunity. Morency, Wynn, Herron, and BJax have run well when given carries this year and last.

Wonder if the coaches purposely gave Wynn a few more carries late to save some money on Grant's incentives. Is this money saved on this year's or next year's cap? I don't think they'd do that, but if I was Grant, I'd be pissed I didn't get the carries so close to my goals.

Grant had the 4th or 5th most carries in the NFL this season, so he has nothing to argue about. He got his chances.

Still, 1200 yards is a fine season by any measure. I don't think we need to see a change at starter, though I wouldn't mind seeing his workload drop a tad.

[BallHawk]

Excuse me if I'm not convinced about Wynn after he runs for 100 yards on the first 0-16 team in NFL history.......

I seem to remember some anointing Davenport as the second coming after he ran for a couple hundred yards...against Detroit, I think!

And Davenport had a big game against St. Louis on MNF (Favre's 200th consecutive start, I think) but everybody knew that Green was the guy.

Grant's the guy. It's that simple.

[bobblehead]

Re: Should Grant be challenge next year?

i disagree. grant's best runs are on the plays where it's between the guards/tightend...up the gut if you will. i've read that mm doesn't even run the zb system right as it's supposed to involve cut-blocks and he doesn't like them.

I thought that the bread and butter of ZBS is runs between the tackles/up-the-gut? Isn't that what Denver and Atlanta do?

I hadn't heard that MM doesn't like cut-backs, where did you read that?

don't remember where i read it. it was right after he took over and was getting heat from other teams about it. it's the plays where they try to run wide that fail so much. you know, where he runs sideways and then makes a cut to a hole that's supposed to be there and usually isn't. without the cut-blocks those players are still there clogging-up stuff.

Pretty sure you got some misinformation here. MM loves cut blocks and was very open about it. A few of our DL complained and several opponents, but MM clearly said "hey, its in the rules we would be foolish not to use it".

[Gunakor]

Re: Should Grant be challenge next year?

i disagree. grant's best runs are on the plays where it's between the guards/tightend...up the gut if you will. i've read that mm doesn't even run the zb system right as it's supposed to involve cut-blocks and he doesn't like them.

I thought that the bread and butter of ZBS is runs between the tackles/up-the-gut? Isn't that what Denver and Atlanta do?

I hadn't heard that MM doesn't like cut-backs, where did you read that?

don't remember where i read it. it was right after he took over and was getting heat from other teams about it. it's the plays where they try to run wide that fail so much. you know, where he runs sideways and then makes a cut to a hole that's supposed to be there and usually isn't. without the cut-blocks those players are still there clogging-up stuff.

Pretty sure you got some misinformation here. MM loves cut blocks and was very open about it. A few of our DL complained and several opponents, but MM clearly said "hey, its in the rules we would be foolish not to use it".

I'd assume he read that MM doesn't like to use cut blocks in practice, something I think I've read somewhere too.

[channtheman]

Maybe I'm alone in this but I thought Wynn looked slow that whole running play. He never had a burst of speed and then he started jogging and slowing down at the 50. Even on a long TD run, it looked like he didn't care halfway through the run. And he fumbled late in the game after we had gotten a big first down.

[Fred's Slacks]

Re: Should Grant be challenge next year?

I'd assume he read that MM doesn't like to use cut blocks in practice, something I think I've read somewhere too.

Yeah, nobody uses cut blocks in practice unless you're doing it on practice dummies. It's far too dangerous.[/list]