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  • 2009 Offseason

    Looking at the list of available FAs, it's not a great list. A few positions are strong. Some of these guys will be tagged or will resign with their current teams before they even hit UFA.



    At QB, Matt Cassel is this year's Matt Schaub. He'll be in big demand, and New England will probably tag him. Kurt Warner would be a nice fit for a contender lacking a QB. I don't see the Packers making a play for any of these guys.

    At RB, Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward are studs. I'm assuming the Giants will try their best to keep one of these guys. The other is going to be the Michael Turner of this year's class. I don't see either guy coming to Green Bay. Maurice Morris, Correll Buckhalter, and Darren Sproles wouldn't be bad backups, but I don't see the Packers making much of a play on any of these guys.

    At WR, there isn't much available. T.J. Houshmandzadeh will get big money. Antonio Bryant made himself some money in his contract year. Lance Moore will get some play as a RFA. He'd make a nice slot receiver for a lot of teams. There will be teams that take a chance on Devery Henderson, Nate Washington, and possibly Brandon Jones. The Packers will have little interest in any of these guys.

    At TE, Houston won't let Owen Daniels get away. L.J. Smith might be a nice bargain after his injury plagued year. Jim Kleinsasser probably fits best where he's at. Bo Scaife is a decent all around TE with little speed to stretch the field. It's unlikely the Packers will have interest in any of these guys. Lee is probably as good as the guys not named Daniels, and Finley has some potential.

    At OT, there are some decent players available. Jordan Gross will get huge money. Vernon Carey is a good, young player. Khalif Barnes and Stacy Andrews have been up and down, but mostly solid. Jon Runyan and Tra Thomas are warriors, but are old. Max Starks and Marvel Smith are inconsistent. Gross seems to be the only one that has the movement skills for the ZBS. It might be a pipe dream, but Gross would be one of the few FAs that would get me excited.

    At OG, there isn't much. New Orleans won't let Jahri Evans go as a RFA. Chris Kemoeatu is a road grader type. Cooper Carlisle is a good fit for our scheme, but he's getting old. Mike Goff is on the decline. Mark Setterstrom was a good player for the Rams early in his career, but he's been ravaged by injuries. I'm not sure there's anybody worth going after here.

    At OC, Matt Birk and Jeff Saturday are solid vets who probably have a couple of years left. I can't see Birk leaving his home town or Saturday leaving the Colts though. Jason Brown is a good, young, road grader type. Eric Heitmann and Richie Incognito have just been adequate starters. Maybe a veteran OC to stabilize the middle of the OL would be worth pursuing.

    At DE, Julius Peppers is a stud. Terrell Suggs is a stud in the 3-4 defense, but I'm not convinced he's a stud as a 4-3 DE. Chris Canty would be an intriguing pickup because he's decent all around. The rest aren't very intriguing. Bertrand Berry is old and injury prone. Peppers would be a dream. Canty wouldn't be a bad fallback.

    At DT, Albert Haynesworth is a stud, and count me as somebody who would love to get him. Most of the rest are undersized pass rushers. Rocky Bernard probably is the best of that bunch. He could provide an inside pass rush that the Packers lacked once Jenkins went down. Jovan Haye is similar to Bernard, but followed up a good 2007 season with a down 2008 season. More than anything though, we need a big 3 down stud DT that can stop the run and provide a pass rush. Outside of Haynesworth, I'm not sure another is available. Gabe Watson is probably the closest thing we need physically, but he's been a bit of a disappointment in his career.

    At LB, there are some solid options available. Ray Lewis will stay in Baltimore. Michael Boley and Karlos Dansby are studs. Jonathan Vilma has played much better in 4-3 than his two years with Mangini in the 3-4. Channing Crowder has turned into a nice player. Bart Scott is solid in the 3-4. Not sure how he would translate to a 4-3. Angelo Crowell is solid, but missed the 2008 season with an injury. LeRoy Hill would be a good fit in our current scheme or a blitzing 4-3 scheme. Mike Peterson was a stud, but he's old. There are some LB options available that should be intriguing to the Packers.

    At CB, Nnamdi Asomugha is a stud, but I can't see Oakland letting him go. Can they franchise him again? Dunta Robinson and Chris Gamble are solid. As long as Harris and Woodson are on the team, I'm not sure Green Bay would be attractive to any FA corners.

    At S, there are some intriguing players available. Sean Jones is a solid all around safety. OJ Atogwe is a pretty good cover safety. Jermaine Phillips is solid also, but is better near the line of scrimmage. Beside Jones, two lesser names intrigue me the most - James Butler of the Giants and James Sanders of the Patriots. There are some guys to target here.

    At P/K, two words - Shane Lechler. After the debacle of this season, he might be worth the money.

    In short, I don't see us signing a FA QB, RB, WR, TE, or OG. OC has a couple of intriguing guys. OT has a handful of intriguing guys, but most aren't ideal for our system. Peppers, Gross, Haynesworth, Boley, and Dansby would instantly upgrade the team--but they'll be difficult to get. There isn't much at DT outside of Haynesworth. Canty is intriguing. There are some intriguing LBs and safeties available.

    Pipe Dreams - OT Gross, DE Peppers, DT Haynsworth, LB Boley, LB Dansby

    Other Guys That Would Get Me Exciting - OT Carey, LB Vilma, LB Crowder, S Jones, P Lechler (although it's hard to put a punter on here)

    Sleepers That I Wouldn't Mind Getting - DE Canty, DT Watson, LB Hill, LB Crowell, S Butler, S Sanders

    Other Guys That Might Fit - TE Smith, OG Carlisle, OC Saturday, DT Bernard, DT Haye
    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

  • #2
    Asomugha has already been informed by the Raiders that he will be franchised again. Last time he got tagged with the exclusive franchise tag (can't even negotiate with other teams), so he's not going anywhere.

    Under the current CBA, there's nothing keeping a team from franchising a guy over and over and over again. Asomugha's plight might lead to the rules for this changing in the next CBA discussion though.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Lurker64
      Asomugha has already been informed by the Raiders that he will be franchised again. Last time he got tagged with the exclusive franchise tag (can't even negotiate with other teams), so he's not going anywhere.

      Under the current CBA, there's nothing keeping a team from franchising a guy over and over and over again. Asomugha's plight might lead to the rules for this changing in the next CBA discussion though.
      He'll be getting an assload of money. He'll get what he made last year + 25%. I'm sure he's ok with it.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lurker64
        Under the current CBA, there's nothing keeping a team from franchising a guy over and over and over again. Asomugha's plight might lead to the rules for this changing in the next CBA discussion though.
        There is the "Walter Jones Rule" for any player franchised a third time. His salary for that year is:

        (1) the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7(a) below) with the highest such average; (2) 120% of the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7(a) below) at which the player played the most games during the prior League Year; or (3) 144% of his Prior Year Salary. By way of example, a kicker designated as a Franchise Player for the third time in the 2007 League Year would have a Required Tender equal to the greater of: (i) the average of the five largest 2006 Salaries for quarterbacks; (ii) 120% of the average of the five largest 2006 Salaries for kickers; or (iii) 144% of the player’s own 2006 Salary.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Partial
          Originally posted by Lurker64
          Asomugha has already been informed by the Raiders that he will be franchised again. Last time he got tagged with the exclusive franchise tag (can't even negotiate with other teams), so he's not going anywhere.

          Under the current CBA, there's nothing keeping a team from franchising a guy over and over and over again. Asomugha's plight might lead to the rules for this changing in the next CBA discussion though.
          He'll be getting an assload of money. He'll get what he made last year + 25%. I'm sure he's ok with it.
          Playing for Granny has it's downsides but the Bay area is a damn nice place to live if you have some dough.
          C.H.U.D.

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          • #6
            Which starters are you okay with returning as a starter next year? Which need to be upgraded?

            QB Aaron Rodgers
            RB Ryan Grant
            FB Korey Hall or John Kuhn
            WR Greg Jennings
            WR Donald Driver
            TE Donald Lee
            LT Chad Clifton
            LG Daryn Colledge
            C Scott Wells
            RG Jason Spitz
            RT Mark Tauscher

            LE Aaron Kampman
            LT Johnny Jolly
            RT Ryan Pickett
            RE Cullen Jenkins
            WLB A.J. Hawk
            MLB Nick Barnett
            SLB Brady Poppinga or Brandon Chillar
            CB Charles Woodson
            CB Al Harris
            S Nick Collins
            S Atari Bigby

            K Mason Crosby
            P The new guy
            PR Will Blackmon
            KR Will Blackmon/Jordy Nelson
            "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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            • #7
              For me, on offense I'm okay with everybody, but I'd like one new starter on the OL (I have hope that maybe Josh Sitton moves Spitz inside to OC).

              On defense, I'm looking for somebody to replace Jolly and somebody to push Jenkins, a replacement for Poppinga or Chillar, and somebody to push Bigby.

              Need a new punter also.

              Is it plausible that this team is a factor next year with most of the same starters (e.g. favorable schedule, more luck, fewer injuries, better coaching)?
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                Which starters are you okay with returning as a starter next year? Which need to be upgraded?

                Besides the O-line I don't have any complains on offense...


                LE Aaron Kampman
                LT Johnny Jolly - Need game changing D-tackle
                RT Ryan Pickett
                RE Cullen Jenkins
                WLB A.J. Hawk - Needs to go back to his 1st/2nd season speed
                MLB Nick Barnett
                SLB Brady Poppinga or Brandon Chillar - Would like to see more competition at this position. Not sold on either guy...
                CB Charles Woodson
                CB Al Harris
                S Nick Collins
                S Atari Bigby - Add a safety through the draft to bring in more competition...

                K Mason Crosby
                P The new guy - GET SOMEONE IN FA!!! A PROVEN PUNTER!!!
                PR Will Blackmon
                KR Will Blackmon/Jordy Nelson

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                • #9
                  You don't like Kapinos? I thought he did ok.
                  "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                  • #10
                    Re: 2009 Offseason

                    Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                    Dunta Robinson and Chris Gamble are solid
                    Gamble's not on the market as he signed a six-year $53 million contract back in November.

                    Yeah, we passed on that guy for Ahmad Carroll.
                    "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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                    • #11
                      Good analysis Harvey.(seriously) Who is "on deck" in the 7th round? We got a good shot at some of those guys.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                        Which starters are you okay with returning as a starter next year? Which need to be upgraded?
                        The curtain needs to drop on the Braydon Chillpinga Experience. Karlos Dansby would be my dream replacement.

                        I don't really want to replace Tauscher, but I'm not sure we'll have a choice. How long will he be rehabbing? Financially, I'm not sure it makes sense to bring him back. But I also don't think his long-term replacement is on the roster right now.

                        The whole OL is one big monkeypile. My prescription is to keep adding monkeys until we find five that can stay on top.

                        Jolly certainly did not step up. Step up or go to the back of the line, Johnny.

                        I don't know that Jenkins needs to be replaced, exactly. He does, without a doubt, require a capable backup. And the position needs to be augmented with a dynamic pass-rusher. If those roles are filled by the same person, great. If not, that's fine too.

                        There should be a wide open competition at punter.

                        Finally, they need to get back to considering special teams when they put their bench together. That didn't seem to be as much of a priority this year and the results were disastrous.
                        #14

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MJZiggy
                          You don't like Kapinos? I thought he did ok.
                          I did too--but it couldn't hurt to have someone else in camp to push him. They can probably find someone worth a look without having to spend a draft pick (insert "third round draft choice" joke here).
                          Teamwork is what the Green Bay Packers were all about. They didn't do it for individual glory. They did it because they loved one another.
                          Vince Lombardi

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                          • #14
                            there are only a couple areas I would look to upgrade. DT & SLB. Pickett was a disappointment this year, as well as Jolly. Poop & Chilly aren't good. The people I'd love to see come here, specifically Haynesworth, won't come. I don't think he'll even make it to free agency as everythign I've been reading has him resigning with Titans before the end of the playoffs.

                            I do think we have one of our future Tackles on roster, Colledge. He is just a natural tackle, and has been playing like one as a guard, and that doesn't work. We will still need another tackle though, as I think Clifton is done, and Tauscher, who knows....he looks like he should have never been an NFL athlete anyway.
                            "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Badgerinmaine
                              Originally posted by MJZiggy
                              You don't like Kapinos? I thought he did ok.
                              I did too--but it couldn't hurt to have someone else in camp to push him. They can probably find someone worth a look without having to spend a draft pick (insert "third round draft choice" joke here).
                              Who's the kid they just signed to a futures contract?
                              "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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