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Originally posted by TravisWilliams23
i hope the son of a bitch burns in hell
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CHEATED, he cheated to beat us in the superbowl
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We were in that boat 3 years ago were we not?Originally posted by Freak OutTT would have to hire a body guard.Originally posted by Partial
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Originally posted by red
I love your posts, red.Comment
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You're suggesting TT is going to start trading picks away annually? What planet have you been living on the last couple years. Do you have a view of earth from there?Originally posted by Partial"Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg JenningsComment
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How? Shanny took teams to the playoffs frequently, and to the championship game in what like 2004? He's a good coach imo. Not such a good GM.Originally posted by sheepsheadComment
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Refresh my memory on that, red. I don't remember the controversy.Originally posted by highlanderWe were in that boat 3 years ago were we not?Originally posted by Freak OutTT would have to hire a body guard.Originally posted by Partial
I wonder what the justification was for firing Shanahan. You wouldn't think the owner would just casually toss away $20 million, and three late season games that went the wrong way doesn't seem like enough.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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you must have quoted the wrong postOriginally posted by texaspackerbackerRefresh my memory on that, red. I don't remember the controversy.Originally posted by highlanderWe were in that boat 3 years ago were we not?Originally posted by Freak OutTT would have to hire a body guard.Originally posted by Partial
I wonder what the justification was for firing Shanahan. You wouldn't think the owner would just casually toss away $20 million, and three late season games that went the wrong way doesn't seem like enough.
the controversy was that john elway and terrell davis both took what looked like massive pay cuts in the year they beat us. this allowed the broncos to sign some pretty big free agents that year which helped them win that year, and beat us in the super bowl
the problem is, they didn't really take pay cuts, they just took pay cuts on the nfl books. the owner of the broncos gave them something like ownership of car dealerships or something like that, in return for lower salaries. this is a giant no-no. they got busted on it a few years back somehow and lost numerous draft picks in recent years because of it.
the bottom line is, if the broncos would have followed the rules, they would not have been able to cut elways and davis' cap numbers, they would not have been able to boost their talent level with free agents, and they would not have won 2 superbowls
we were beat by a team that cheated, plain and simple
heres a link just so you don't think its a wacko conspiracy
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heres another article on it from the denver post
Shame part of Broncos' shine
By Mark Kiszla
Denver Post Staff Columnist
The diamonds in their Super Bowl rings still shine. But the NFL championships won by the Broncos have been tarnished.
After a 20-month investigation, the league ruled Thursday that Denver circumvented salary-cap rules from 1996-98, a crucial period in franchise history when the Broncos won back-to-back world titles and earned taxpayer approval for a new $400 million stadium.
The punishment for the Broncos was a fine of nearly $1 million and forfeiture of a third-round draft choice.
The shame of getting caught should be far greater.
While expressing contrition, franchise owner Pat Bowlen took zero responsibility for the embarrassing transgressions, and claimed the Broncos gained no competitive advantage by persuading players to defer salary at a time he was cash-strapped and pushing hard for construction of a stadium that would line his pockets with fresh money.
That's a cop-out by Bowlen. Denver cheated.
When the Broncos beat Green Bay and Atlanta to win championships in back-to-back seasons, Denver was the best team on the field. But there is also no way to sugarcoat the findings. Along the road to the Super Bowl, the Broncos broke accounting rules.
So why should any fan care?
In a league that prides itself on parity, the salary cap is the single most essential tool to ensure competitive balance.
Hear that ugly cackle? Somewhere, dirty Al Davis must be laughing.
Davis, who owns the Raiders, has long claimed both Denver and San Francisco cheated to win big in the 1990s.
"Those people broke the rules, they circumvented the cap, and they're owners and they cheated," he said in 2000.
Four years later, Davis has reason to feel validated and the Broncos have reason to feel shame. For the second time in three seasons, Denver has been cited for violation of league financial policies.
In essence, the Broncos surreptitiously asked players to defer salary with interest.
Quarterback John Elway and running back Terrell Davis, the two most valuable and expensive stars of the team's glory years, agreed to defer so much money the NFL deemed it unsound business.
If, as Bowlen maintains, his team did not benefit on the scoreboard by bending the rules, then why has the NFL twice hit Denver hard, imposing more than $1.9 million in penalties and stripping the Broncos of two draft picks since 2002?
Of course, this seems a small price to pay for the pleasure of hoisting the Lombardi Trophy and raking in the cash from Invesco Field at Mile High.
Fewer than 10 months after the Broncos upset the Packers in Super Bowl XXXII, taxpayers thanked Bowlen by approving a $300 million donation to a new playing facility in a landslide vote. Any voter who believes in fair competition might now wonder who was zooming whom.
This investigation takes nothing away from the bravery of Terrell Davis blindly running to a Super Bowl huddle, his heart beating strong while a migraine momentarily robbed him of sight. The hefty fines levied do not diminish the smile Elway wore as he walked away from football a winner in his final game.
But, as much as it pains me to admit, Al Davis does have a valid point. The Broncos did not win those championships entirely fair and square.
Nobody at NFL headquarters is asking Denver to return the Super Bowl rings. The Broncos, however, should send them back to the jeweler for a little more work.
Those gaudy rings are already loaded with 124 diamonds, 18-karat gold and the phrase "Back 2 Back."
One more item, however, needs to be added:
An asterisk.Comment
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now, broncos fans will tell you that it had nothing to do with the play on the field and it in no way helped them win
i disagree
while this was going on, the broncos managed to sign bill romanowski in 1996, and neil smaith, keith traylor and Darrien Gordon in 1997
they would not have been able to sign this guys if they had money trouble or the cap space that the cheating cleared up
and without those guys it would have been hard for the broncos to be as good as they wereComment
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I've hated the hell out of the Pony's since SB32.
Bye bye, Shanny the Rat
The Broncos suck & so does your profile.Comment
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LOL, this gets better
one of the main reasons that he got fired was because he refused to fire his defensive coordinator
one bob slowikComment
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Originally posted by KYPack
I hate the Broncos more than the Bears. And that's the truth.Comment
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Sherman will apply for that gig.Originally posted by red
He can say, "I'll fire Slowik's ass, no problem!"Comment
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pft.com
SHANAHAN HAS SOMETHING UP HIS SLEEVE?
Posted by Mike Florio on December 30, 2008, 7:51 p.m.
The immediate speculation in some league circles when word broke of the termination of long-time Broncos coach Mike Shanahan is that Shanahan has something else cooking, and that he forced his firing by refusing to agree to changes that owner Pat Bowlen wants to make.
According to Jeff Legwold of the Rocky Mountain News, part of that speculation is right on the money.
Per Legwold, Shanahan was fired because he refused to fire defensive coordinator Bob Slowik, whose unit surrendered 52 points in a Week Seventeen loss to the Chargers.
Said Bowlen, in a release issued by the team: “After giving this careful consideration, I have concluded that a change in our football operations is in the best interests of the Denver Broncos. This is certainly a difficult decision, but one that I feel must be made and which will ultimately be in the best interests of all concerned.
“I appreciate the 21 years that Mike Shanahan has given to the organization as an assistant and head coach, and the two Super Bowl wins in that time. His contributions hold a special place in Broncos history.”
So if Shanahan wanted to get out of town because he has something else cooking, what might it be?
Believe it or not, there’s speculation that Shanahan is trying to position himself for the Chargers job.
What’s that, you say? The Chargers are in the playoffs and they’ve made it clear that Norv Turner is coming back as head coach?
That was our reaction, too. But a highly-placed league source suspects that something is happening with Shanahan and San Diego.
In our book, it’s almost as unlikely as Shanahan coaching the Raiders. But we’ll continue to keep our eyes peeled on this one.Comment
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