Favre was hurt

[pbmax]

As was discussed earlier today in the Favre thread.

well, who the hell looks in there?

i try to avoid it as much as possible

I admit it, Red. I fell off the Avoid Favre Thread Bandwagon Program this morning looking for a place to comment on his injury. I commented on that thread.

My name is pbmax, and I have been Favre Thread Free for 15 minutes. Oops, this is a Favre thread isn't it? Clearly I need help.

[prsnfoto]

Brett had one championship year with the NFL's best defense and ST's. Before that and after that his play has been proped up as a savior (that never happened to save). There's always a reason (excuse) for why Brett is the savior but didn't save. It's always someone else or some surrounding circumstance but never does it dim the bright eyed believers view that he carries 52 men to the top of the mountain year after year.

The fact that Brett is a legend in Green Bay and around hickville USA is undeniable but the combination of intellectual honesty and intellectual prowess of those who worship. . . . well, there is none. Like most legends, it's a bunch of overblown, overrated hype that Favre himself has never lived up to except in the dreamy, star struck eyes of the willing believers. These believers lack of reasoning can stem from a variety of reasons, many of which are personal and many based in tardation.

His durability has been awe inspiring and his longevity impressive. He was a really, really good player for a long, long time. He put together a hell of a respectable career that we can all appreciate. The romantic stories of how he carried 52 guys year after year. . . . that only lives in the minds of the faithfull. Many of these people have firmly grounded their beliefs in life around a half-real but exaggerated hero. The mere questioning of said hero is met with a committed tenacity that is reminiscent of Old World holy crusaders. Remember though, the crusaders are not attacking you. They are defending themselves against the constant attacks on their beliefs. As such, all actions are justified in the name of self preservation. Those who refuse to quite should be taken down with all the might their clan can muster with absolutely no regard for anyone that may be in their path. You get the feeling they would sacrifice their dog in their back yard to prove Brett's status as savior or eat your heart to cleanse their damaged soul after battle.

The rest of us, you know who we are (emotionally stable non-tardians). . . . we know the truth. We appreciate all the fun times Brett brought but recognize there is a whole team and some good coaches that helped him out along the way. Our view isn't nearly as exciting for it lacks the intellectual dishonestly that takes the best moments, eliminates the typical moments and then wrongly extrapolates a heroic fairy tale. Our view is grounded in reality. In short, "the truth" (or at least in the ball park thereof.)

You are right coming from the biggest bust of TT's tenure you surely know that Favre is at best an average QB who probably doesn't even belong in the HOF.

[sharpe1027]

You are right coming from the biggest bust of TT's tenure you surely know that Favre is at best an average QB who probably doesn't even belong in the HOF.

Did you read the post? Or do you just enjoy making strawman arguments? I am not defending the post, but you clearly did not take 30 seconds to try to understand it.

Favre is Favre, what I like best about him is also what drives me crazy about him. Maybe that is why I can be pissed at him and still think he is the best QB of his time.

[cpk1994]

Brett Favre MUST have been the only QB who played with an injured throwing arm/shoulder this season, wasn't he?

Just consider who wrote that and what network he works for.

Yes it all a lie told by the Fox news of sports. I deleted the rest of my response because I have been taught to love all God's loser's err children and I surely was going to hell with what I typed. Happy New Year to the forum's real #1 troll.

Okay asshat, I know you are a retard so I will slow this down for you. The story in the beginning of the thread is by Ed Werder. He works for ESPN. ESPN has been kissing Favre's ass and making excuses for him for 17 years. See where I am going with this? Seriously, you give the mentally retarded a bad name.

[Harlan Huckleby]

ANY 39-year-old that tries to throw as hard and often as he did is likely to damage his throwing shoulder. FAvre probably had to really strain to make those throws with the same old velocity. IT would be interesting to get Warren Moon's take, he's another strong-armed QB who played around 40. Wonder how his arm felt after 16 games. (Edit: I guess he did get to play ONE playoff game with the vikes too. )

I do cut Favre some slack on his declining performance at the end of the season, his weakening arm was part of the problem. But he has a long history of going through slumps when his team his struggling, most of the ints were the old story of mental errors.

I think Thompson made a reasonable decision letting Favre go. That's all I care about. I'm not a big believer in calling decsions "right" or "wrong" based on the outcome, so much is unpredictable and chance, it doesn't "prove" that a decision was dumb or smart.

[Fritz]

I'm not sure about who's retarded and who's not, but I do think Favre's behavior here is reminiscent of earlier behavior in the offseason. He's not making excuses, but...

Well, it was his choice to retire, but...

It just seems to be part of the guy's pattern. Doesn't take away from the fact that the dude is one of the best QB's ever to play the game. Being a fan of his team was like being on a roller coaster - one minute you're up, cuz he's throwing zinger t.d. passes between four defenders, the next minute you're screaming at the t.v. cuz he's throwing the ball right into a linebacker's hands.

Crazy dude. But a great QB.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He's not making excuses, but...

I agree. Adding drama to the MRI, "my retirement decision will depend on the results of the test." That's just saying that everything bad can be blamed on the bad luck of a bum shoulder.

[Pugger]

I hope he retires too. It was not fun to watch 'highlights' of some of his awful passes the last few weeks. I don't want him to continue to play like this like Jerry Rice did at the end of his career.

[Fritz]

It's so hard to say with Favre. At this point I'm guessing he just wants to go home and forget this past year ever happened. But come April or May, when the Jets have a new coach, high hopes, new draft picks...old #4 might decide this really is the year of Brett the Jet, and he might want to come back for one more shot.

Maybe if he only played the first half of the season then let the second stringer take over, he'd have a great year.

[GrnBay007]

The fact that Brett is a legend in Green Bay and around hickville USA is undeniable but the combination of intellectual honesty and intellectual prowess of those who worship. . . . well, there is none. Like most legends, it's a bunch of overblown, overrated hype that Favre himself has never lived up to except in the dreamy, star struck eyes of the willing believers. These believers lack of reasoning can stem from a variety of reasons, many of which are personal and many based in tardation.

I worry about you if you believe 1/2 of what you write. Favre is a bunch of overblown, overrated hype? lol Why don't you wait to post that shit when another QB comes in and does what he did for the Packer organization. And making references of "tardation" really shows your maturity.

[cpk1994]

The fact that Brett is a legend in Green Bay and around hickville USA is undeniable but the combination of intellectual honesty and intellectual prowess of those who worship. . . . well, there is none. Like most legends, it's a bunch of overblown, overrated hype that Favre himself has never lived up to except in the dreamy, star struck eyes of the willing believers. These believers lack of reasoning can stem from a variety of reasons, many of which are personal and many based in tardation.

I worry about you if you believe 1/2 of what you write. Favre is a bunch of overblown, overrated hype? lol Why don't you wait to post that shit when another QB comes in and does what he did for the Packer organization. And making references of "tardation" really shows your maturity.

How is it not overblown hype? Good god every single commentator on his games would excuse any mistake he made using the tired "he was trying to make a play" excuse. It was that shit that led in part to Favre believeing he could have what ever he wanted when he wanted it and that he was above everyone else. Find me one example of a commentator during a game that actuially said "You know that weas a bonehead decision by Favre". Find me one. You won't becuade they were too busy slobbering all over him and kissing his ass. JH is right to a point. The media has made Favre out to be something he is not. It's disgusting.

[Harlan Huckleby]

At this point I'm guessing he just wants to go home and forget this past year ever happened.

I don't know, by some measures he had a pretty successful season. He got named to the PRo Bowl on the strength an impressive start. He got a rebuilt team clicking on all cylanders. His old body broke down, no shame in that.

I doubt he regrets his year abroad. I admire him for taking a risk and accomplishing as much as he did.

[packinpatland]

The fact that Brett is a legend in Green Bay and around hickville USA is undeniable but the combination of intellectual honesty and intellectual prowess of those who worship. . . . well, there is none. Like most legends, it's a bunch of overblown, overrated hype that Favre himself has never lived up to except in the dreamy, star struck eyes of the willing believers. These believers lack of reasoning can stem from a variety of reasons, many of which are personal and many based in tardation.

I worry about you if you believe 1/2 of what you write. Favre is a bunch of overblown, overrated hype? lol Why don't you wait to post that shit when another QB comes in and does what he did for the Packer organization. And making references of "tardation" really shows your maturity.

007, you are right on......especially about the"And making references of "tardation" really shows your maturity.", comment.

The 'raising' of Brett Favre is much like the raising of a child. Show me a kid who has been given everything, lacks for nothing, is the center of attention at every family function, has never been told 'NO'. And I'll show you a kid, who when given the chance, siblings, relatives, friends will dump on.

Now with Brett, he earned most of his accalades. Most of those records broken are his. But along the way, mostly in GB.........they made him into someone that was above the game, above the team. Maybe a 'NO', long time ago would have changed the course of things that came. Want a separate locker room, Brett? 'NO', Want to miss parts of early training? 'NO', The 'NO's' never came.
Just once, after a horrendous game had they benched him and played the backup, maybe he'd have gotten the idea that he was dispensable. Just maybe, if the GB organization hadn't made him the face of the Packers, he wouldn't have thought he was that face. Just maybe if the media hadn't done all those (too many) specials about him, long before he retired, he wouldn't have thought of himself as 'legend' before he became one.
Favre needs to retire, he needed to retire. It was good once. It's not anymore. It's painful. Anyone close to him, if they care, should be telling him that.
There is little doubt that Brett Favre was a one-of-a-kind player. I'm just not sure that that lasted 18 years.

[cpk1994]

The fact that Brett is a legend in Green Bay and around hickville USA is undeniable but the combination of intellectual honesty and intellectual prowess of those who worship. . . . well, there is none. Like most legends, it's a bunch of overblown, overrated hype that Favre himself has never lived up to except in the dreamy, star struck eyes of the willing believers. These believers lack of reasoning can stem from a variety of reasons, many of which are personal and many based in tardation.

I worry about you if you believe 1/2 of what you write. Favre is a bunch of overblown, overrated hype? lol Why don't you wait to post that shit when another QB comes in and does what he did for the Packer organization. And making references of "tardation" really shows your maturity.

007, you are right on......especially about the"And making references of "tardation" really shows your maturity.", comment.

The 'raising' of Brett Favre is much like the raising of a child. Show me a kid who has been given everything, lacks for nothing, is the center of attention at every family function, has never been told 'NO'. And I'll show you a kid, who when given the chance, siblings, relatives, friends will dump on.

Now with Brett, he earned most of his accalades. Most of those records broken are his. But along the way, mostly in GB.........they made him into someone that was above the game, above the team. Maybe a 'NO', long time ago would have changed the course of things that came. Want a separate locker room, Brett? 'NO', Want to miss parts of early training? 'NO', The 'NO's' never came.
Just once, after a horrendous game had they benched him and played the backup, maybe he'd have gotten the idea that he was dispensable. Just maybe, if the GB organization hadn't made him the face of the Packers, he wouldn't have thought he was that face. Just maybe if the media hadn't done all those (too many) specials about him, long before he retired, he wouldn't have thought of himself as 'legend' before he became one.
Favre needs to retire, he needed to retire. It was good once. It's not anymore. It's painful. Anyone close to him, if they care, should be telling him that.
There is little doubt that Brett Favre was a one-of-a-kind player. I'm just not sure that that lasted 18 years.

He did have that someone, but that someone is no longer living. Than man was Irv.

[packinpatland]

My point was........no one with the organization ever said NO...........at least not till the end.