Unofficial and Uninformed Defensive Coordinator Speculation

[Farley Face]

If Sanders needs whacking, it should happen regardless of how Moss does in St. Louis.

I see your point, but mine was he would wait to announce the promotion at roughly the same time as the whacking. Fire Sanders today, Moss goes to the Rams, now you are scrambling for a DC and an Ast. HC/LB coach. Just my own speculation in the spirit the thread was started.

[pbmax]

Bates left last year and gave way to Slowik in Denver. The Denver D coordinator post is a back hole.

I am not convinced by Gregg Williams. He ran Gibbs defense in Washington, so that is a reasonably good reference, but his stock has been sliding since his days as the Buffalo coach. And Jacksonville, which has had good defenses, pitched him.

What I really want is for Jerry Jones to panic that Jason Garrett might leave for Detroit, fire Wade Phillips and then we snatch him up. He has run 3-4 and 4-3 and did a good job for a D minded boss in Schottenheimer while in San Diego. he is the closest candidate to Shurmur I can find so far.

Usually waiting for Jerry to overreact is a good bet, but so far he has just fired his Special Teams coach Bruce Read.

[Jimx29]

I say hire from within.
I'm confident that there are more than a few members here that are more competent than Sanders

[Bretsky]

If Sanders needs whacking, it should happen regardless of how Moss does in St. Louis.

I see your point, but mine was he would wait to announce the promotion at roughly the same time as the whacking. Fire Sanders today, Moss goes to the Rams, now you are scrambling for a DC and an Ast. HC/LB coach. Just my own speculation in the spirit the thread was started.

Scrambling ? Moss has never been a DC before and there are better candidates out there. We can really only judge Moss by the LB's play at this point.

[pbmax]

If Sanders needs whacking, it should happen regardless of how Moss does in St. Louis.

I see your point, but mine was he would wait to announce the promotion at roughly the same time as the whacking. Fire Sanders today, Moss goes to the Rams, now you are scrambling for a DC and an Ast. HC/LB coach. Just my own speculation in the spirit the thread was started.

Scrambling ? Moss has never been a DC before and there are better candidates out there. We can really only judge Moss by the LB's play at this point.

You know, this raises a good point. If McCarthy knew now, or sometime near the end of the season that Sanders had to go, he would have had a clear incentive to make the move early so that he could include Moss in his search. Since he seems not to have done this, he is either cold-blooded or has no current intention of moving Sanders.

[The Leaper]

I do not prefer to hire from within...I think that is a bad strategy when your defense had so many failings across the board. Clearly, new blood is needed to spice things up.

[Bretsky]

If Sanders needs whacking, it should happen regardless of how Moss does in St. Louis.

I see your point, but mine was he would wait to announce the promotion at roughly the same time as the whacking. Fire Sanders today, Moss goes to the Rams, now you are scrambling for a DC and an Ast. HC/LB coach. Just my own speculation in the spirit the thread was started.

Scrambling ? Moss has never been a DC before and there are better candidates out there. We can really only judge Moss by the LB's play at this point.

You know, this raises a good point. If McCarthy knew now, or sometime near the end of the season that Sanders had to go, he would have had a clear incentive to make the move early so that he could include Moss in his search. Since he seems not to have done this, he is either cold-blooded or has no current intention of moving Sanders.

This is what I'm thinking as well. If MM didn't realize the change needed to be made at season's end I wonder if his emotions are stronger than his intelligence. I'd think he'd act boldly. Every day of waiting may mean a candidate is lost.

On the other hand, I clearly am not a fan of Winston Moss as our DC. We might as well keep Sanders if we are staying with our own staff. Vanilla Man can't be much worse. Moss has no experience there and I didn't see much improvement from the position he coaches.

It could also be possible that part of MM's delay may have to do with not really wanting Moss as the DC either.

[MJZiggy]

The piece of information that we don't have that would make discussions on whether to hire from within is whether Moss buys into Sanders' defensive philosophy or whether he has to play his guys that way because of someone else's scheme.

If Moss wants to rule the roost differently than the current attitude, then the continuity and the respect that he already has from the players might be enough to move the team in the right direction.

[Bretsky]

The piece of information that we don't have that would make discussions on whether to hire from within is whether Moss buys into Sanders' defensive philosophy or whether he has to play his guys that way because of someone else's scheme.

If Moss wants to rule the roost differently than the current attitude, then the continuity and the respect that he already has from the players might be enough to move the team in the right direction.

If he doesn't buy into the philosophy and MM want to change the philosophy then we have some very qualified candidates to choose from. The LB's were far from impressive even when healthy this year

While I may be wrong I HIGHLY doubt Moss gets the Rams job; if you recall per new rules one minority candidate has to be interviewed.

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A LIST- Cream of the Crop
Mike Nolan
Greg Williams

B LIST for Better than we have
Jim Haslett
Romeo Crennell

The Whatever List for we're happy with the guys we got and/or MM doesn't have the stones to go outside our box

Bob Sanders
Winston Moss
Robert Dunn

I agree with this list. One could probably put Marinelli in the cream of the crop too imo. I'm not super interested in his scheme, though.

[Partial]

The piece of information that we don't have that would make discussions on whether to hire from within is whether Moss buys into Sanders' defensive philosophy or whether he has to play his guys that way because of someone else's scheme.

If Moss wants to rule the roost differently than the current attitude, then the continuity and the respect that he already has from the players might be enough to move the team in the right direction.

If he doesn't buy into the philosophy and MM want to change the philosophy then we have some very qualified candidates to choose from. The LB's were far from impressive even when healthy this year

While I may be wrong I HIGHLY doubt Moss gets the Rams job; if you recall per new rules one minority candidate has to be interviewed.

JSO speculated though that MM wouldn't make a move until Friday at the earliest if I remember correctly. I think we'll see Sanders let go tomorrow.

[pack4to84]

A LIST- Cream of the Crop
Mike Nolan
Greg Williams

B LIST for Better than we have
Jim Haslett
Romeo Crennell

The Whatever List for we're happy with the guys we got and/or MM doesn't have the stones to go outside our box

Bob Sanders
Winston Moss
Robert Dunn

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2008/6/30/561577/jacksonville-jaguars-defen

Greg Williams defense Philosophy The Buddy Ryan Effect

Last week, we discussed the history, philosophy, and possible effects of introducing Gregg Williams to the Jacksonville Jaguars.  One name that comes up with any research into  Gregg Williams is his tutelage under Buddy Ryan.  Ryan is best known for developing the defense that would define the 1985 Chicago Bears, the 46 defense. Fans of the Philadelphia Eagles, Houston Oilers, and Arizona Cardinals might disagree with that statement, of course, but the legacy of Ryan is in his approach to defenses.  Gregg Williams is considered a disciple of Ryan, though he only technically worked under Ryan in 1993 with the Oilers.  Though their time together was short, Williams defensive career is centered on emulating and developing the concepts established by Buddy Ryan.  The "attack style" reputation of the Jaguars new defensive coordinator is ripped straight from the playbook of Ryan.

[mission]

I would love Gregg Williams but it wont happen ...

[pbmax]

I would love Gregg Williams but it wont happen ...

I think there is a reason he is unemployed. His style has not been as successful recently as it was early in his career. What I need to know about him, is he adaptable?

Remember that every defensive coordinator ever hired has been touted as being more aggressive and they all promise to get after the Quarterback. I prefer success to any specific philosophy.

[Bretsky]

I would love Gregg Williams but it wont happen ...

I think there is a reason he is unemployed. His style has not been as successful recently as it was early in his career. What I need to know about him, is he adaptable?

Remember that every defensive coordinator ever hired has been touted as being more aggressive and they all promise to get after the Quarterback. I prefer success to any specific philosophy.

I remember at this year's beginning there was talk of new blitzing schemes and packages that would pressure the QB more; I don't think anybody would try to argue they worked

I just want new blood in there from the outside; I'm not sure I'll be that fussy if it occurs