The Right Decision

[cpk1994]

So is it necessary that you start with that "Favre cult" bullshit??? You are no better than pacopete, just of the opposite opinion. Pathetic and troll like. Guess that is just who you are. For the better of the forum try to keep it to yourself more often.

As for the topic, yeah the right choice was made. Just went down real shitty.

How is is BS? Did the Favre fans not go after TT just like I said? Are you denying that? Do you deny that their were kids cussing Rodgers out? Do you deny that Rodgers was booed at the scrimmage game by the Favre fans? The facts are in plain sight. TT got crucified by the Favre fans as I said he would if he chose to stick with Rodgers. You call it troll like. I call it fact.

[MJZiggy]

It's the choice of words, CPK. I don't think anyone would deny that there was a lot of emotion thrown around on all sides of the issue, most from both viewpoints having some validity (and here's the key part) that would never be accepted by the people with the opposing viewpoint.

No one is suggesting that it was all sunshine and daisies this summer, but most have gotten over the anger and the hatred horse died so long ago, you're pounding on a skeleton. You've almost ground it to dust. I think for most of us here, we've reached a point where we CAN have a rational discussion about the topic and for the most part, have been. You talk about other people hating, it's time for a little introspection, because you are the MOST harsh and vocal by far on this topic and it's time to follow the lead of EVERYONE else and tone it down if for no other reason, out of respect for everyone else here. I was angry as hell at Favre this summer, but I just don't want to read this BS anymore. I don't deny the things that you mention. They did happen, but Favre did not do them. And to not let them even diminish in your head after 6 months is troll like, fact or not.

I think Aaron's done a fine job this season. I expected him to do well and he's far surpassed my (and likely everyone else's) predictions. Who would have expected 4K yards out of a first year starter, and who would expect 6-10 from a team with 4K passing yards?

A thought occurred to me...I wonder if his perceived fragility over the past seasons was more a result of him tweaking something and coaches pulling him even for the tiniest tweak whether he really could have played or not...it's seems that glass reputation was inaccurate at best.

[Lurker64]

A thought occurred to me...I wonder if his perceived fragility over the past seasons was more a result of him tweaking something and coaches pulling him even for the tiniest tweak whether he really could have played or not...it's seems that glass reputation was inaccurate at best.

Aaron's perceived "fragility" was likely largely due to the fact that all of the action he saw was as a backup, and NFL statistics bear out the fact that backups are far more likely to get injured than starters on a per-play basis for whatever reason. I believe this is frequently attributed to insufficient "warming-up" for a guy who comes in to fill a spot vacated by injury, and it probably has something to do with mental preparedness to avoid big hits and the like.

Plus, you have to think that any defense that knocks Favre around enough to get him out of the game might also hit his backup a little. I remember seeing some statistic where in games where Favre gets knocked out by injury, his backup needs to be replaced by the #3 with alarming regularity.

[pbmax]

Here is the pre-throw look from last year's championship game. One thing to remember about our Offensive Line was the way they out pass blocked the vaunted Logan Mankins led Patriots line versus the same Giants pass rush.

[cpk1994]

It's the choice of words, CPK. I don't think anyone would deny that there was a lot of emotion thrown around on all sides of the issue, most from both viewpoints having some validity (and here's the key part) that would never be accepted by the people with the opposing viewpoint.

No one is suggesting that it was all sunshine and daisies this summer, but most have gotten over the anger and the hatred horse died so long ago, you're pounding on a skeleton. You've almost ground it to dust. I think for most of us here, we've reached a point where we CAN have a rational discussion about the topic and for the most part, have been. You talk about other people hating, it's time for a little introspection, because you are the MOST harsh and vocal by far on this topic and it's time to follow the lead of EVERYONE else and tone it down if for no other reason, out of respect for everyone else here. I was angry as hell at Favre this summer, but I just don't want to read this BS anymore. I don't deny the things that you mention. They did happen, but Favre did not do them. And to not let them even diminish in your head after 6 months is troll like, fact or not.

I think Aaron's done a fine job this season. I expected him to do well and he's far surpassed my (and likely everyone else's) predictions. Who would have expected 4K yards out of a first year starter, and who would expect 6-10 from a team with 4K passing yards?

A thought occurred to me...I wonder if his perceived fragility over the past seasons was more a result of him tweaking something and coaches pulling him even for the tiniest tweak whether he really could have played or not...it's seems that glass reputation was inaccurate at best.

But I'm not angry. I simply laid out both cases as TT probably saw them when he made his choice which is also how I came to support him and agreed that ARod was the right decision. That's all.

As for Favre himself, you are right he didn't do any of those things personally. But he could have stopped it by being professional, telling his fans "Don't take this out on ARod" and not acting like a cry baby.

[Deputy Nutz]

Re: The Right Decision

Not stirring up the pot, but this is the elephant in the room. Disregarding everything else, did the Packers make the right decision to move on at QB before this season?

That is exactly what you are doing. Whats the point? This was a season from hell on all accounts, even for those that were in favor of the Favre trade and held some kind of dislike of Favre didn't even get the second round pick when Favre and the Jets imploded at the end of the season. Nothing worked out right in 2008, nothing.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: The Right Decision

Nothing worked out right in 2008, nothing.

True, but management made the best of a bad situation.

[MJZiggy]

It's the choice of words, CPK. I don't think anyone would deny that there was a lot of emotion thrown around on all sides of the issue, most from both viewpoints having some validity (and here's the key part) that would never be accepted by the people with the opposing viewpoint.

But I'm not angry. I simply laid out both cases as TT probably saw them when he made his choice which is also how I came to support him and agreed that ARod was the right decision. That's all.

As for Favre himself, you are right he didn't do any of those things personally. But he could have stopped it by being professional, telling his fans "Don't take this out on ARod" and not acting like a cry baby.

Refrain from calling people that saw Favre as the victim in all this a "cult" and you might make a better case. State your opinion without using inflammatory phrases (including calling people names--yes that includes Favre) and you might find more agreement. You catch more flies with honey, honey.

[Bretsky]

It's the choice of words, CPK. I don't think anyone would deny that there was a lot of emotion thrown around on all sides of the issue, most from both viewpoints having some validity (and here's the key part) that would never be accepted by the people with the opposing viewpoint.

No one is suggesting that it was all sunshine and daisies this summer, but most have gotten over the anger and the hatred horse died so long ago, you're pounding on a skeleton. You've almost ground it to dust. I think for most of us here, we've reached a point where we CAN have a rational discussion about the topic and for the most part, have been. You talk about other people hating, it's time for a little introspection, because you are the MOST harsh and vocal by far on this topic and it's time to follow the lead of EVERYONE else and tone it down if for no other reason, out of respect for everyone else here. I was angry as hell at Favre this summer, but I just don't want to read this BS anymore. I don't deny the things that you mention. They did happen, but Favre did not do them. And to not let them even diminish in your head after 6 months is troll like, fact or not.

I think Aaron's done a fine job this season. I expected him to do well and he's far surpassed my (and likely everyone else's) predictions. Who would have expected 4K yards out of a first year starter, and who would expect 6-10 from a team with 4K passing yards?

A thought occurred to me...I wonder if his perceived fragility over the past seasons was more a result of him tweaking something and coaches pulling him even for the tiniest tweak whether he really could have played or not...it's seems that glass reputation was inaccurate at best.

But I'm not angry. I simply laid out both cases as TT probably saw them when he made his choice which is also how I came to support him and agreed that ARod was the right decision. That's all.

As for Favre himself, you are right he didn't do any of those things personally. But he could have stopped it by being professional, telling his fans "Don't take this out on ARod" and not acting like a cry baby.

Your sarcasm, jabs, and posts are full of anger; I doubt many would argue with that

[red]

for me its kind of yes and no

i don't like the fact that they made the huge change when they were so close to the super bowl last year. i thought the combination of favre and M3 were awesome last year and i was hoping for more of the same this year. i think we saw favre revert to shit again mostly because mangini couldn't control him as well as m3 did last year. if favre had stayed here, the combination of those 2 might have produced the same results as last year. and they made the move for a guy who never had a start. its was a giant gamble that i don't and didn't like

however, the gamble looks to be a good one, as a-rod surpassed most expectations. it now looks like instead of having 1 or 2 good years at qb, we will now have at least another decade of good play there

now we come to the win now versus later debate. the suits didn't know at the time that this year would be a throw away year by the rest of the team. they should have been all in IMO to win the SB this year and they were not. so i am disappointed in that

however you can't be disappointed in what our future looks like at qb with a-rod

so for me its a little yes and no

[GrnBay007]

Re: The Right Decision

Nothing worked out right in 2008, nothing.

That's not entirely true. After the winning 2007 season both MM and TT received contract extensions and raises in January of 2008.

[The Leaper]

It was the right decision to make. Generally, I think you should always go younger in the NFL. IMO, it would make sense to dump Driver if you could get something of value for him. Hanging onto guys heading into the twilight of their careers typically doesn't garner much for your team.

I didn't like getting rid of Favre, because I thought this team was poised to make another deep run if we added one or two key pieces. Since Thompson didn't add those pieces (and probably will NEVER add them when necessary) I have reached the point of apathy regarding the Favre situation, as well as Thompson.

[Harlan Huckleby]

i think we saw favre revert to shit again mostly because mangini couldn't control him as well as m3 did last year. if favre had stayed here, the combination of those 2 might have produced the same results as last year.

I think that's a stretch to believe. Rodgers played as well as Favre this season.

And the gossip I hear on ESPN radio is that Mangini was arguably too hard on Favre, taking him to task in front of other players.

[Pugger]

Re: The Right Decision

Nothing worked out right in 2008, nothing.

That's not entirely true. After the winning 2007 season both MM and TT received contract extensions and raises in January of 2008.

2008 wasn't pretty but we did learn one thing: we have a darn good QB to fill Brett's shoes! If AR gets even better next year 2009 might be real fun if TT and company fix our D and O lines.

[Partial]

Here is the pre-throw look from last year's championship game. One thing to remember about our Offensive Line was the way they out pass blocked the vaunted Logan Mankins led Patriots line versus the same Giants pass rush.

So there you have it. The passing lane to the left is closed. He could possibly float it to Grant/Jackson/whoever that is, but with Strahan being so long and containing, he could EASILY make a play on that ball.

Honestly with that view the pass doesn't look nearly as bad imo.