Chad Pennington: MVP?

[Brando19]

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/01/claim-chad-pennington-is-the-nfl-mvp-only-lemmings-pick-peyton/

I agree that Pennington has helped turn the Dolphins around and I'm a big fan of his (his family lives close to me), but I don't think Chad has the big time stats Peyton Manning and Adrian Peterson has. It would be cool for him to sneak in the race and win it, though. Favre should be the only 3 time MVP.

[The Leaper]

Ed Reed deserves the MVP IMO...few times can a defensive player claim it, and this is a year where one should.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Re: Chad Pennington: MVP?

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/01/claim-chad-pennington-is-the-nfl-mvp-only-lemmings-pick-peyton/

I agree that Pennington has helped turn the Dolphins around and I'm a big fan of his (his family lives close to me), but I don't think Chad has the big time stats Peyton Manning and Adrian Peterson has. It would be cool for him to sneak in the race and win it, though. Favre should be the only 3 time MVP.

So if the Packers are 11-5 does A-rod get consideration for MVP? If I'm not mistaken his and Peyton's stats are pretty much the same for the year. 4000yds around 30 tds and 12-13 INT's

[Guiness]

How ironic that Pennington goes out and has a year that makes people consider him for league MVP.

The Jets got Favre and dumped him, thinking they were upgrading the position - and Penn goes and plays lights out. If they'd kept him, and made the other changes they did, do they make the playoffs???

[Brando19]

Re: Chad Pennington: MVP?

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/01/claim-chad-pennington-is-the-nfl-mvp-only-lemmings-pick-peyton/

I agree that Pennington has helped turn the Dolphins around and I'm a big fan of his (his family lives close to me), but I don't think Chad has the big time stats Peyton Manning and Adrian Peterson has. It would be cool for him to sneak in the race and win it, though. Favre should be the only 3 time MVP.

So if the Packers are 11-5 does A-rod get consideration for MVP? If I'm not mistaken his and Peyton's stats are pretty much the same for the year. 4000yds around 30 tds and 12-13 INT's

I would say so. I like A-rod, but how many comebacks does he have this season? Peyton has a few. If A-rod won those close games, I would say yes...he would be an MVP candidate.

[Partial]

ROFL Pennington? Ronnie Brown is more valuable to that team than Pennington.

[vince]

ROFL Pennington? Ronnie Brown is more valuable to that team than Pennington.

Your previously stated positions about Pennington (and similarly Rodgers) being below average and your inability to accept being wrong has obviously caused you to lose all objectivity. This opinion simply does not stand up to the facts. When Pennington has been healthy, he has been a solid QB pretty much his whole career. When he's been injured, he's been less solid. You seem to be blind to certain QB injuries, but all too eager to shout from the rooftops about other QB's injuries.

Ronnie Brown was the 19th ranked running back in total yards and 34th in the league in yards per carry. Hardly MVP calibre performance.

Conversely, Pennington was the #2 rated passer in the league, behind Phillip Rivers and ahead of Curt Warner, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers, in that order. His TD/INT ratio was also #2 in the league (if you exclude Seneca Wallace, who ranked first in limited time)

Overall, I think one of these three running backs or Phillip Rivers - all of whom led teams to the playoffs (along with Pennington) are most deserving:

Adrian Peterson 1,760 yards rushing, 4.8 ypc 10 TD's
Michael Turner 1,699 yards rushing, 4.3 ypc 17 TD's
DeAngelo Willias 1,515 yards rushing, 5.5 ypc 18 TD's

Rivers: 4,009 yds passing, 34 TD's 11 INT's 105.5 passer rating

It seems that when facts don't support your opinion, you run to search for other people's opinions that agree with yours and then rush to state them as "fact." Not a very convincing tactic.

[vince]

ROFL Pennington? Ronnie Brown is more valuable to that team than Pennington.

There's more...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/notebook?page=sundaycountdown08

Pennington succeeding where others have failed: The list is long, and generally undistinguished: Jay Fiedler, A.J. Feeley, Gus Frerotte, Daunte Culpepper, Joey Harrington, Trent Green, Cleo Lemon, John Beck. All quarterbacks the Dolphins thought could, well, quarterback, in the wake of Dan Marino. All disappointments during their time in Miami.

After two surgeries and being released from the Jets, Chad Pennington revived his career this season, helping lead the Dolphins to the AFC East crown.

So it's no wonder that when players were asked this week to name the biggest factor in their shocking turnaround from 1-15 to AFC East champions, most Dolphins took less than a second to spit out Chad Pennington's name.

"He's our savior," linebacker Joey Porter said bluntly. Porter knows that Pennington won't ever brag for himself, so he does it for him.

"He just makes great decisions with the ball, does whatever is best for the team," Porter said. "We know the Jets released him for Brett Favre. And Brett is great. I feel like he could be commissioner of the NFL one day, everybody loves him. But if I was running a team, I'd take Chad. Every time."

Porter is right; Pennington isn't going to brag. But he is open about how determined he is to make the most of this game against the Ravens, and whatever might follow. At 32, and with two potentially career-ending shoulder surgeries behind him, he's aware of how fleeting success can be.
"That's why we're all scrapping around here," he said. "This is not an everyday occurrence. The opportunity is now and it's a nice opportunity to have and you really want to take advantage of it."

[Partial]

Pennington is a safe quarterback. He doesn't take any chances, but he is also a smart quarterback. He plays within his abilities as well as anybody, and will certainly not make any mistakes.

He is noodle armed, hasn't had any playoff success, etc.

I didn't say Ronnie Brown was an MVP candidate. I said he's a better player (comparatively) than Pennington. The wildcat has allowed that team to do a lot of unique things since they have two pretty good backs.

You can think what you want. So can I. I don't think I'm wrong about Pennington. You are every bit entitled to think that I am. In MY opinion, he is just a guy. He's not a play maker by any stretch of the imagination.

[vince]

Pennington is a safe quarterback. He doesn't take any chances, but he is also a smart quarterback. He plays within his abilities as well as anybody, and will certainly not make any mistakes.

He is noodle armed, hasn't had any playoff success, etc.

I didn't say Ronnie Brown was an MVP candidate. I said he's a better player (comparatively) than Pennington. The wildcat has allowed that team to do a lot of unique things since they have two pretty good backs.

You can think what you want. So can I. I don't think I'm wrong about Pennington. You are every bit entitled to think that I am. In MY opinion, he is just a guy. He's not a play maker by any stretch of the imagination.

Of course you don't think you're wrong. And you're objective too, right?

You are undeterred and unmoved by the assessments of those who are, other than you, most knowledgeable about the situations at hand. Their assessments just don't mean anything at all... You not only could teach Winston Moss abut linebacker play but you also know more than most of the Dolphins players about who contributed most to their team's success this year.

Any chance whatsoever that you might be wrong and some of these other people with extensive first-hand experience might know what they are talking about?

Any chance at all?

[Bossman641]

Pennington is a safe quarterback. He doesn't take any chances, but he is also a smart quarterback. He plays within his abilities as well as anybody, and will certainly not make any mistakes.

He is noodle armed, hasn't had any playoff success, etc.

I didn't say Ronnie Brown was an MVP candidate. I said he's a better player (comparatively) than Pennington. The wildcat has allowed that team to do a lot of unique things since they have two pretty good backs.

You can think what you want. So can I. I don't think I'm wrong about Pennington. You are every bit entitled to think that I am. In MY opinion, he is just a guy. He's not a play maker by any stretch of the imagination.

Of course you don't think you're wrong. And you're objective too, right?

You are undeterred and unmoved by the assessments of those who are, other than you, most knowledgeable about the situations at hand. Their assessments just don't mean anything at all... You not only could teach Winston Moss abut linebacker play but you also know more than most of the Dolphins players about who contributed most to their team's success this year.

Any chance whatsoever that you might be wrong and some of these other people with extensive first-hand experience might know what they are talking about?

Any chance at all?

NO

[MOBB DEEP]

cant believe bama lost...

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm surprised that Texas Tech lost to Old Miss.

But that is just because I know more about TT, I spose.

[swede]

...But that is just because I know more about TT, I spose.

What kind of car does he drive?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm guessing a late model, burgandy sedan; drives 55 mph on the freeway, two hands on the wheel at 9 and 3 oclock position, never venturing into the passing lane.