And The Saga Continues...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ask about twenty or so teams in the NFL if they'd like to have Brett Favre next year. Pretty sure they'd say yes. And I bet the Queens are one of them.

If you mean as a starter, then I don't think the number is that high.

Buffalo - Maybe. It depends on what they think of Trent Edwards long-term.
Cincinnati - Maybe. It depends on whether Carson Palmer comes back healthy.
Tennessee - Perhaps.
Kansas City - Unlikely. Rebuilding mode, and Tyler Thigpen showed some promise.
Chicago - Yes.
Detroit - Yes.
Minnesota - Maybe. It depends on what they think about Tarvaris Jackson's future.
Tampa Bay - Probably.
San Francisco - Yes.

That makes it about 9 teams--with only 4 teams as very likely to want Favre.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Sheep, I'm calling for Favre to be traded to the Vikings this offseason some time.

My big prediction.

Hopefully, the Jets do trade him to Minnesota, Chicago, or Detroit.

Schefter also reports that the Packers took great pains to ensure Favre would not be traded to the Vikings -- or any other NFC North team -- by inserting a "poison pill" in the deal. If Favre were to be traded to any team in the Packers' division, the Jets would have to surrender three first-round picks to Green Bay. The trade also includes provisions preventing a trade to another team if that new team were to trade him to the NFC North.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I saw him in person too, he was pretty stuck up, he could put more effort into being friendly.

I really hate when people say things like this about any player not named Mark Chmura. I mean, what are you basing your opinion on?

Agreed.

[sheepshead]

Sheep, I'm calling for Favre to be traded to the Vikings this offseason some time.

My big prediction.

YOu ahve to think he's out of NYC one way or another. But who knows with this guy anymore.

[sheepshead]

Thanks, prsn. So maybe the Jets can't trade him to the NFC North, after all. Good.

The whole league seems to be turning against Favre, which I did not think was happening. I thought the media was blowing it up, and I still do to some extent. However, check out this quote from an NFL GM which came at the end of an article on Favre and the Jets' players reactions to him:

"I want (Favre) out of the building before I get there," one general manager told The Daily News in analyzing the thought process of prospective coaches. "He's finished. You can read Mangini's body language: 'We can't control him. He will not follow. He's undisciplined. Belligerent.'

That's a heavy duty statement. I don't necessarily think it's true, but it's a heavy duty thing for an NFL GM to say.

wow.

[prsnfoto]

Thanks, prsn. So maybe the Jets can't trade him to the NFC North, after all. Good.

The whole league seems to be turning against Favre, which I did not think was happening. I thought the media was blowing it up, and I still do to some extent. However, check out this quote from an NFL GM which came at the end of an article on Favre and the Jets' players reactions to him:

"I want (Favre) out of the building before I get there," one general manager told The Daily News in analyzing the thought process of prospective coaches. "He's finished. You can read Mangini's body language: 'We can't control him. He will not follow. He's undisciplined. Belligerent.'

That's a heavy duty statement. I don't necessarily think it's true, but it's a heavy duty thing for an NFL GM to say.

I agree to some extent he will never not take chances he needs to play in a system with great WR's which he had at the end with GB(because his arm is diminishing) or a team like Tennessee where he doesn't hardly ever have to force anything. Phil Sim's said during the loss to the Dolphins that he had looked at the last 6 Jets games and he felt the Jets WR's were terrible between getting no seperation and dropped passes he felt Brett was forcing throws to make something happen and he simply doesn't have the arm to do that anymore. The arm thing says a lot to me the way they are talking he can rehab it and it will heal on its own or have it scoped and fixed for good. Could it be the last 4-5 years this is exactly what has happened at the end of the season it heals and is re-injured during the season. If that is the case he should have been sat down this year and the Packers should have caught it in previous seasons, just a thought.

[The Shadow]

[quote="prsnfoto"]

"While the Jets hoped to woo Bill Cowher with a boatload of money, the marriage appeared to be unlikely from the outset. Sources close to Cowher said he did not want to have Favre as his quarterback, and that he also wanted to bring in people he was familiar with to handle personnel. A source familiar with Cowher's thinking said before last night's decision came down that the former Steeler boss would have to receive assurances from the Jets that the 39-year-old Favre no longer was in the picture before agreeing to take control. "There's no way he's taking Brett Favre as his quarterback," said one person close to Cowher. -- NY Post "


Good responsible reporting........."a source familiar with Cowher's thinking".
May very well be true.....but for gosh sakes, sounds weird.

This is a good point. So, since I read Pacerrats all the time, I would say that I'm familiar with, say, Partial's thinking...so if I tell this whole board what Partial would think about any given subject, does that mean it's true??

I doubt Partial, or anyone would like that. This is just the media trying to pile on and make a story bigger. It's creating news. Sure, some Jets guys are P.O.'d at Favre, but now the NY media is trying to make it seem like everybody hates Brett Favre.

Ask about twenty or so teams in the NFL if they'd like to have Brett Favre next year. Pretty sure they'd say yes. And I bet the Queens are one of them.

There lies the problem if the Jets release him and he goes to Minnesota even if it does not involve a trade the Pack gets 3-1st rounders or at least a source familar with TT thinking has reported. And to all the Brett is so selfish crowd the JETS got exactly what they wanted they sold advertising at an all-time high, they sold jerseys at not just a JETS all-time high but the NFL all-time high, they sold PSL's in a bad economy. He made them 10's of millions of dollars. Who really used who?[/quote]

Well,
1. The Packers got rid of a problem. Ya he was a total asshole worse than Micheal Vick. Vick mistreated dogs. Favre apparently treats teammates like dogs.
2. The Packers picked up a draft choice. I am sure TT will draft a future HOF'er with that. How do you know he won't?
3. The Jets now have an infuriated fan base + a lost draft choice. Why they were 4-12 last year are they as dumb as you? Well, if they are as dumb as me (instead of a genius like yourself), they are probably mad as hell that their team is going backwards, they lost a draft choice, they let an excellent Pennington go to acquire a washed-up quarterback, they frittered away a playoff berth, the qb they let walk led his team TO the playoffs, their lockerroom morale is in the toilet, and they now must bring in a new head coach to start over.
4. The Jet's coach lost his job, meaning a new coach will have to start over again. Did even watch him this year he is actually worse than MM that means he is below average for the slow ones in the forum. First of all, you really MUST watch those sentence fragments! Now then : are you suggesting that Favre is actually to be PRAISED for getting the team's coach fired? I see - this will all be golden because Bill Cowher will appear to make everything great! Oops! Ol' Bill wants nothing to do with Favre.
5. The Jet's team chemistry is now fractured. Could be, but they didn't have any last year either. Great! That's certainly a positive. NOT improving in a crucial area is a GOOD thing!
6. Brett Favre tarnished - again - his reputation. I think he can take the perception of morons in stride and he will be just fine. He is ALWAYS "just fine". When you are only, apparently, looking out for #1, nothing else matters. By the way, there seems to be an ever-increasing number of 'morons' out there - and fewer lemming-like Favreites as time goes by.


Ummmm....let's see....
I think the Green Bay Packers played the Jets like a violin.

I was talking about the Jets used Brett to get what they wanted. But if you want to talk about the Packers they found out they have a pretty good QB and went 6-10. Who is the real failure, come on, I hear the dust bunnies churning in your noggin, let me help the not so bright posters like you, IT IS FUCKING TWINKLE TOES THOMPSON.

I like Thompson's approach to building a team quite a bit, actually.
May his toes long twinkle!

[cheesner]

Sheep, I'm calling for Favre to be traded to the Vikings this offseason some time.

My big prediction.

Hopefully, the Jets do trade him to Minnesota, Chicago, or Detroit.

Schefter also reports that the Packers took great pains to ensure Favre would not be traded to the Vikings -- or any other NFC North team -- by inserting a "poison pill" in the deal. If Favre were to be traded to any team in the Packers' division, the Jets would have to surrender three first-round picks to Green Bay. The trade also includes provisions preventing a trade to another team if that new team were to trade him to the NFC North.

This really puts the Jets in a bind. They cannot get rid of Favre and risk the Vikings signing him. The threat of giving up 3 first round picks should scare them from cutting him. They are going to have to hope that Favre retires - if they don't want him. I don't know, though, how you can keep him on the team. With the things Jones said on the radio and the other quotes from players - If BF comes back that is not a happy lockerroom.

[Bossman641]

Sheep, I'm calling for Favre to be traded to the Vikings this offseason some time.

My big prediction.

Hopefully, the Jets do trade him to Minnesota, Chicago, or Detroit.

Schefter also reports that the Packers took great pains to ensure Favre would not be traded to the Vikings -- or any other NFC North team -- by inserting a "poison pill" in the deal. If Favre were to be traded to any team in the Packers' division, the Jets would have to surrender three first-round picks to Green Bay. The trade also includes provisions preventing a trade to another team if that new team were to trade him to the NFC North.

This really puts the Jets in a bind. They cannot get rid of Favre and risk the Vikings signing him. The threat of giving up 3 first round picks should scare them from cutting him. They are going to have to hope that Favre retires - if they don't want him. I don't know, though, how you can keep him on the team. With the things Jones said on the radio and the other quotes from players - If BF comes back that is not a happy lockerroom.

Don't the 3 draft picks only come into affect if they trade him?

I would think they could outright release him, not sure what cap number they would have to absorb then.

[cheesner]

Sheep, I'm calling for Favre to be traded to the Vikings this offseason some time.

My big prediction.

Hopefully, the Jets do trade him to Minnesota, Chicago, or Detroit.

Schefter also reports that the Packers took great pains to ensure Favre would not be traded to the Vikings -- or any other NFC North team -- by inserting a "poison pill" in the deal. If Favre were to be traded to any team in the Packers' division, the Jets would have to surrender three first-round picks to Green Bay. The trade also includes provisions preventing a trade to another team if that new team were to trade him to the NFC North.

This really puts the Jets in a bind. They cannot get rid of Favre and risk the Vikings signing him. The threat of giving up 3 first round picks should scare them from cutting him. They are going to have to hope that Favre retires - if they don't want him. I don't know, though, how you can keep him on the team. With the things Jones said on the radio and the other quotes from players - If BF comes back that is not a happy lockerroom.

Don't the 3 draft picks only come into affect if they trade him?

I would think they could outright release him, not sure what cap number they would have to absorb then.

Perhaps I am wrong. I reread the article and didn't see that.

I think i remember when the trade occurred that the poison pill extended to cutting him also and having him end up in the NFC North.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think i remember when the trade occurred that the poison pill extended to cutting him also and having him end up in the NFC North.

I'm guessing that it doesn't. Honestly, I've always been a huge Brett guy, but once I saw his face before the NFC Championship Game last year, I lost faith that the guy could win big games late in the year. I'm not saying that he can't win any games late, but there are a lot of QBs right now that I'd take over Brett in a big game at the end of the year.

[Partial]

I could see the Jets cutting Favre and going with Kellen. He's been on the bench for what, three years now?

[cpk1994]

Mmm...I don't know. If Jackson throws a couple of picks and misses a few wide open receivers against Philly, you know there will be a whole offseason for Chilly to ruminate and the fans to grumble and wonder.

Plus there's the added bonus of feeling somehow like you're sticking it to the Pack.

But then he has to deal with a fanbase that mostly wants no part of Favre on the Vikings. A fanbase which already hates Chilly's guts. Chilly doesn't need to have any more gas put on that fire.

Oh so now we're looking out for the best interest of Chilly?

No im not. But if you look at Favre from Chilly's point of view, those are very legit reasons why he probably won't touch Favre with a 10ft pole. And those are without mentioning the tampering charges last year. Way to pyshoanalyize too much by the way.

[MOBB DEEP]

DAYUM brett....

[MOBB DEEP]

I could see the Jets cutting Favre and going with Kellen. He's been on the bench for what, three years now?

whats with the high schoolesque sig????