TAYLOR MAYS, S, USC

[Lurker64]

About Mays, are we really sure he's coming out? Any chance he stays for his senior year?

If you were in his shoes, and almost guaranteed a top 10 spot, would you risk injury? Will a safety ever go in the top 5?

This sort of thing depends on personality. Some guys come out early, even though it's ill-advised, because they hate school (e.g. Shonn Greene). Some guys will stay in, even though it's ill-advised, because they love the whole college scene (e.g. Matt Leinart).

Staying in a year cost Leinart a lot of draft positions and some money, but he may well be out of the league in a couple of years and the millions he has already received would mean he doesn't have to work anymore unless he has to, so I can't say it's necessarily the wrong decision.

I could very much see Carroll trying to convince his Jr. defensive stars to stay in a year so they can go out with a national championship. Who knows who will listen to him?

[Partial]

I kind of like Bigby and think he has the skillset to be a similiar player to Bob Sanders. We just don't use it from.

[SkinBasket]

I kind of like Bigby and think he has the skillset to be a similiar player to Bob Sanders. We just don't use it from.

Good fucking god.

[Partial]

Can't say one way or another. Late last season he played very well. This year he never hit the ground running. Too soon to tell imo, and in all honesty we probably never will know since he's a walking injury imo.

[SkinBasket]

Well, then by the same token, I kind of like me and think I have the skillset to be a similiar player to Brett Favre. No one just don't use it from me.

[b bulldog]

In all truthfullness, he hasn't put up much for numbers in his college career. It is all great to look like a beast in shorts or your uniform but you need to make plays.

[Partial]

Bigby is good.

Alright. I realize that I've hated on Bigby from day one, but seriously, what is he "good" at? On the football field. I'm sincerely interested in what people perceive as good when it comes to this player, because I am not seeing it.

See the Seattle as a prime example of the type of player Bigby could be if he A) reaches his potential consistently B) stays healthy.

That is one heck of a player.

[SkinBasket]

Bigby is good.

Alright. I realize that I've hated on Bigby from day one, but seriously, what is he "good" at? On the football field. I'm sincerely interested in what people perceive as good when it comes to this player, because I am not seeing it.

See the Seattle as a prime example of the type of player Bigby could be if he A) reaches his potential consistently B) stays healthy.

That is one heck of a player.

And you're the same fucking guy who went berserko telling everyone they couldn't judge Mongomery on the one great game he had this season. Now you're pointing to one game Bigby's had a year ago as an example of what kind of player he can be? Gee, that's great Partial. I'm guessing the only difference here is that one of the players has received the coveted seal of Partial fanboyism and the other hasn't.

And I'll counter your Seattle game argument the same way I did last time it was brought up. See Ryan Leaf's game against Denver in 2000. Surely it was an indicator of what kind of player he was, right? That's why he's had such a long and fruitful NFL career.

[Fritz]

Skin, I think Bigby was a playmaker last year. You knew he was out there - he wasn't invisible, and it wasn't that you knew he was out there cuz he was getting flagged all the time.

I think Bigby is a hitter, I think he makes plays on the ball, and I think like many safeties (Sharper, Darren, and Collins, Nick) he's taking a couple of years to develop.

As for Mays, hey, if he's that great - I don't know anything about him - nad he's the best player on the board at #9, take the guy. I'd rather have a star safety than a mediocre defensive tackle.

[Partial]

Bigby is good.

Alright. I realize that I've hated on Bigby from day one, but seriously, what is he "good" at? On the football field. I'm sincerely interested in what people perceive as good when it comes to this player, because I am not seeing it.

See the Seattle as a prime example of the type of player Bigby could be if he A) reaches his potential consistently B) stays healthy.

That is one heck of a player.

And you're the same fucking guy who went berserko telling everyone they couldn't judge Mongomery on the one great game he had this season. Now you're pointing to one game Bigby's had a year ago as an example of what kind of player he can be? Gee, that's great Partial. I'm guessing the only difference here is that one of the players has received the coveted seal of Partial fanboyism and the other hasn't.

And I'll counter your Seattle game argument the same way I did last time it was brought up. See Ryan Leaf's game against Denver in 2000. Surely it was an indicator of what kind of player he was, right? That's why he's had such a long and fruitful NFL career.

I'm saying thats the kind of potential that he has. I'm not saying he is some super stud. Monty, on the other hand, has never made a play prior to that game. Bigby has consistently laid the would, forced fumbles, and had a few picks.

I doubt Bigby turns into anything because he cannot stay healthy. But he's been ok when he has been healthy.

[sharpe1027]

Bigby is good.

Alright. I realize that I've hated on Bigby from day one, but seriously, what is he "good" at? On the football field. I'm sincerely interested in what people perceive as good when it comes to this player, because I am not seeing it.

A year ago he made plays in coverage and was solid in run support. He took a few bad angles, but less than Sharper did early on. He was never an pro-bowl candidate, but given that it was his first time starting, he looked pretty good and there was hope that he would keep improving. Instead he took a step back.

My take: He's not terrible at everything, like you seem to suggest, and he has shown some promise, but he has yet to prove anything.

[Bossman641]

I think Bigby lucked out with more than a few of his picks last year. There were at least 2-3 where he was completely out of position and had the ball come to him via a horribly thrown pass or tip. It's not like he was reading the QB and making breaks on balls. Who knows, maybe the light will come on for him. He was a solid tackler in the 07 season though.

[sharpe1027]

I think Bigby lucked out with more than a few of his picks last year. There were at least 2-3 where he was completely out of position and had the ball come to him via a horribly thrown pass or tip. It's not like he was reading the QB and making breaks on balls. Who knows, maybe the light will come on for him. He was a solid tackler in the 07 season though.

I don't think saying he was "completely out of position" is fair. He plays safety, which often means his correct position is behind the WRs.

I don't remember Roman making those same plays. Maybe it is luck, as you suggested, or maybe Bigby was actually in position to be able to capitalize on bad throws...either way, it sure seemed he was around the ball a heck of a lot.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bigby got fortunate early last year, but the dude was ballin' at the end. I'm not sold yet that he'll return to being the guy we saw at the end of last year. I'm also not big on the Rouse bandwagon. I've actually a bit intrigued by Peprah. He's a little undersized, but doesn't seem shy about hitting people. He's also intelligent. Unless a can't miss, Sean Taylor like prospect is there and there's nobody at DL or LB available worth the #9 pick, I'm not big on drafting safety that high though.

[rbaloha1]

Unless a can't miss, Sean Taylor like prospect is there and there's nobody at DL or LB available worth the #9 pick, I'm not big on drafting safety that high though.

Taylor Mays=Steve Atwater