Justin Harrell

[The Shadow]

I guess you got me.. he mighta still been around in rounds 2-3 or even 4.. never know

The word on the street is that Denver would have taken Harrell if we had not. Apparently, according to Shanihan, they had three defensive lineman targeted, and since the top 2 were gone after Green Bay took Harrell, they had to trade up to get Jarvis Moss. I forget who the top guy they had targeted was. It was probably Okoye or Carriker.

So Harrell wouldn't have lasted past pick #21.

ok, so never was the correct word then i guess...

I believe Carraeker was the other; they knew Okoye would not be there

Leaper had the guy pegged for us before the draft........Reggie Nelson

it also goes unnoticed that DT wasnt even close to our biggest need at the time... best player available? according to who? dingbat TT...

Do you mean "Executive of the Year" dingbat TT?

[Pacopete4]

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Do you mean "Executive of the Year" dingbat TT?

are they going to give him an award for idiot of the year this season and the 4-12 season? I mean fair is fair right? He gets awarded for one good year why cant we give him an award for being a complete douche bag moron?

[Patler]

it also goes unnoticed that DT wasnt even close to our biggest need at the time... best player available? according to who? dingbat TT...

I will reply with a repeat of a quote from my earlier post:

I find two things rather humorous. First, people complain about TT being too conservative, not taking chances on player in FA, etc. Yet when he took a chance in the draft for a guy with great potential, he is roundly criticized for taking that chance. Second, at the time people complained about taking a DT instead of a position of "greater need". The need to take DTs whnever you can was certainly proven out this year.

TT took a chance on Harrell. It looks like it might be a failure. I still think it was worth the risk at the time he was taken.

[Gunakor]

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Do you mean "Executive of the Year" dingbat TT?

are they going to give him an award for idiot of the year this season and the 4-12 season? I mean fair is fair right? He gets awarded for one good year why cant we give him an award for being a complete douche bag moron?

He scrapped the roster to make cap room, and then watched the Packers offense suffer a litany of injuries in that 4-12 season. Blaming TT for that 4-12 season makes about as much sense as blaming Brett Favre for that 4-12 season.

And there's no way he could win that award this year, with Matt Millen still largely responsible for the Lions disaster.

[Lurker64]

it also goes unnoticed that DT wasnt even close to our biggest need at the time... best player available? according to who? dingbat TT...

The thing about DTs is that "drafting a DT when you need one" is seldom a good idea, since the thing about defensive tackle play is that the transition from the college game to the pro-game is one of the most difficult for that position. Very rarely does a DT come in in his first year and play well in the NFL, largely because the blocking schemes they face in the NFL are a lot more complicated and require a combination of "technique" and "physical talent" to beat, and most great college DTs get by largely on physical ability. I mean, look at Glenn Dorsey who's one of the best DTs to come out of college in recent memory, he didn't do much in his first year.

The thing about DTs is that you draft them before you anticipate needing them, not when you need them. In principle, you do this for every position, but some positions have an easier adjustment coming in as rookies (running backs, notably) than others.

The Harrell pick, wasn't necessarily a bad one at the time. DT was going to be a need a couple years later, and Harrell was a guy that by all accounts would have been a top 10 pick were he not coming off of injury. He had some injury red flags, but Thompson took a risk and drafted a guy who could have been an impact player. So far, it hasn't worked out for him. But the book on Harrell isn't written yet.

[Pacopete4]

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Do you mean "Executive of the Year" dingbat TT?

are they going to give him an award for idiot of the year this season and the 4-12 season? I mean fair is fair right? He gets awarded for one good year why cant we give him an award for being a complete douche bag moron?

He scrapped the roster to make cap room, and then watched the Packers offense suffer a litany of injuries in that 4-12 season. Blaming TT for that 4-12 season makes about as much sense as blaming Brett Favre for that 4-12 season.

And there's no way he could win that award this year, with Matt Millen still largely responsible for the Lions disaster.

cant we give him the runner up then? Just the notoriety like Favre got for finishing 2nd in MVP voting to Brady last season?

[Gunakor]

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Do you mean "Executive of the Year" dingbat TT?

are they going to give him an award for idiot of the year this season and the 4-12 season? I mean fair is fair right? He gets awarded for one good year why cant we give him an award for being a complete douche bag moron?

He scrapped the roster to make cap room, and then watched the Packers offense suffer a litany of injuries in that 4-12 season. Blaming TT for that 4-12 season makes about as much sense as blaming Brett Favre for that 4-12 season.

And there's no way he could win that award this year, with Matt Millen still largely responsible for the Lions disaster.

cant we give him the runner up then? Just the notoriety like Favre got for finishing 2nd in MVP voting to Brady last season?

Why?

The biggest decision he made during this past offseason was trading Favre to the Jets. And most would agree that was absolutely the right decision to make at the time. Look at our poll here at PR, or watch FavreSPN, or just go out and mingle with people and ask them.

The second biggest decision he made this past offseason was trading Corey Williams to the Browns. That one looks to have hurt us, but I can't think of a single person that wasn't thrilled to death that we got a second round draft pick for that lazy fat ass. He hasn't done a damn thing since being traded anyway, so it looks like Green Bay made out like a bandit in the deal. There's no way, even now, that I'd trade that second round pick back to the Browns for Williams.

So why the hate? Tracy White? Jon Ryan (under heavy lobbying from the ST coordinator)? The contract extension given to Rodgers? The one given to Grant? Brandon Chillar? Noah Herron? Koren Robinson? Those are the personnel changes from last year to this year. The only bad decision that I can pin on Thompson is Tracy White, and I do hold him responsible for that. But the rest all looked like good moves at the time, and with the benefit of hindsight, all except the Williams trade look to be working out okay. That's far better than my expectations of our GM, because unlike some posters, I don't expect our GM to hit a home run on every decision he makes. I expect he'll make a few bad decisions. They all do.

[Pacopete4]

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Do you mean "Executive of the Year" dingbat TT?

are they going to give him an award for idiot of the year this season and the 4-12 season? I mean fair is fair right? He gets awarded for one good year why cant we give him an award for being a complete douche bag moron?

He scrapped the roster to make cap room, and then watched the Packers offense suffer a litany of injuries in that 4-12 season. Blaming TT for that 4-12 season makes about as much sense as blaming Brett Favre for that 4-12 season.

And there's no way he could win that award this year, with Matt Millen still largely responsible for the Lions disaster.

cant we give him the runner up then? Just the notoriety like Favre got for finishing 2nd in MVP voting to Brady last season?

Why?

The biggest decision he made during this past offseason was trading Favre to the Jets. And most would agree that was absolutely the right decision to make at the time. Look at our poll here at PR, or watch FavreSPN, or just go out and mingle with people and ask them.

The second biggest decision he made this past offseason was trading Corey Williams to the Browns. That one looks to have hurt us, but I can't think of a single person that wasn't thrilled to death that we got a second round draft pick for that lazy fat ass. He hasn't done a damn thing since being traded anyway, so it looks like Green Bay made out like a bandit in the deal. There's no way, even now, that I'd trade that second round pick back to the Browns for Williams.

So why the hate? Tracy White? Jon Ryan (under heavy lobbying from the ST coordinator)? The contract extension given to Rodgers? The one given to Grant? Brandon Chillar? Noah Herron? Koren Robinson? Those are the personnel changes from last year to this year. The only bad decision that I can pin on Thompson is Tracy White, and I do hold him responsible for that. But the rest all looked like good moves at the time, and with the benefit of hindsight, all except the Williams trade look to be working out okay. That's far better than my expectations of our GM, because unlike some posters, I don't expect our GM to hit a home run on every decision he makes. I expect he'll make a few bad decisions. They all do.

blah, blah, blah... no reason to dispute u because his 31-33 record speaks for itself..

[texaspackerbacker]

Harrell is down to his final last chance. The size and mobility they originally saw in him should still be there if he can just get over the back thing.

Blaming Thompson for not anticipating that injury is a little off the wall when the back/hip is completely unrelated to the torn bicep he had in college. Some positions are a lot more prone to having busts than others, and D Line, particularly D Tackle, is at the top of the list. Even when they do succeed, they often don't break out until the third or fourth season.

What it boils down to is: we've been unlucky with Harrell up to now. It would really help to suddenly get lucky with him now.

[Fred's Slacks]

blah, blah, blah... no reason to dispute u because his 31-33 record speaks for itself..

Any one who doesn't watch a game or follow one move could make your lame argument. When someone makes a solid, objective argument you just give the record and then blow them off like you've proven something. Well, the record doesn't tell the whole story. Sure he's been responsible for 8-8 and 6-10 but he's also gotten us closer to the big one then anyone since Wolf. Sherman may have had a bunch of winning seasons but he we never gave us a legit shot at a title. TT gave us that shot in his 3rd season. I'd gladly give a couple poor seasons for the shot at a title, instead of treading water and wining the North every year only to bow out to the real contenders in the playoffs.

[Pacopete4]

blah, blah, blah... no reason to dispute u because his 31-33 record speaks for itself..

Any one who doesn't watch a game or follow one move could make your lame argument. When someone makes a solid, objective argument you just give the record and then blow them off like you've proven something. Well, the record doesn't tell the whole story. Sure he's been responsible for 8-8 and 6-10 but he's also gotten us closer to the big one then anyone since Wolf. Sherman may have had a bunch of winning seasons but he we never gave us a legit shot at a title. TT gave us that shot in his 3rd season. I'd gladly give a couple poor seasons for the shot at a title, instead of treading water and wining the North every year only to bow out to the real contenders in the playoffs.

Ive debated him, oh trust me.. we've debated... so now I'm just throwin out the record 31-33... not even fuckin .500... pitiful no matter how u TT lovers wanna write it.. hes a loser

[Lurker64]

Actually, by my reckoning there are three seasons that count on Thompson's record: 8-8, 13-3, and 6-10. The initial season for a GM (particularly a rookie GM) can't be fairly counted against him, since he's basically dealing with the problems the last guy left you.

So Thompson is really 27-21 by my count. Which is pretty good. I don't think "hating your GM" is really a sensible thing to do. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with Ted that means he can't do a good job. So as Packer fans, we really ought to be hoping he does well.

I mean, Thompson has had some success in:
Free Agency (Pickett, Woodson)
The First Round (Rodgers, Hawk)
The Second Round (Jennings, arguably Collins and Colledge)
The Third Round (Spitz, Rouse)
The Fourth Round (Sitton)
The Sixth Round (Crosby, Hall, Jolly)

So really, he's batting 0-fer in the fifth, and we may wish he'd do well more often, but I don't think that "hoping he fails" is something any reasonable person can say. It's like saying "I hope things go bad in the country so the sitting president's party loses the next election", it's just bitter and petty.

[Pacopete4]

Actually, by my reckoning there are three seasons that count on Thompson's record: 8-8, 13-3, and 6-10. The initial season for a GM (particularly a rookie GM) can't be fairly counted against him, since he's basically dealing with the problems the last guy left you.

So Thompson is really 27-21 by my count. Which is pretty good. I don't think "hating your GM" is really a sensible thing to do. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with Ted that means he can't do a good job. So as Packer fans, we really ought to be hoping he does well.

I mean, Thompson has had some success in:
Free Agency (Pickett, Woodson)
The First Round (Rodgers, Hawk)
The Second Round (Jennings, arguably Collins and Colledge)
The Third Round (Spitz, Rouse)
The Fourth Round (Sitton)
The Sixth Round (Crosby, Hall, Jolly)

So really, he's batting 0-fer in the fifth, and we may wish he'd do well more often, but I don't think that "hoping he fails" is something any reasonable person can say. It's like saying "I hope things go bad in the country so the sitting president's party loses the next election", it's just bitter and petty.

I as a TT hater, want the packers to do well.. how can I not? But I've had problems with the way he does things since day one. And then add in the Favre situation and this horrible past season and you get the fierce TT hater that wants him the hell outta GB. It'l take a hell of a lot more than next years 8-8 season to get me to even think about him staying.. but for the majority of people here, it'll buy him another season of wasting our time

[Fred's Slacks]

blah, blah, blah... no reason to dispute u because his 31-33 record speaks for itself..

Any one who doesn't watch a game or follow one move could make your lame argument. When someone makes a solid, objective argument you just give the record and then blow them off like you've proven something. Well, the record doesn't tell the whole story. Sure he's been responsible for 8-8 and 6-10 but he's also gotten us closer to the big one then anyone since Wolf. Sherman may have had a bunch of winning seasons but he we never gave us a legit shot at a title. TT gave us that shot in his 3rd season. I'd gladly give a couple poor seasons for the shot at a title, instead of treading water and wining the North every year only to bow out to the real contenders in the playoffs.

Ive debated him, oh trust me.. we've debated... so now I'm just throwin out the record 31-33... not even fuckin .500... pitiful no matter how u TT lovers wanna write it.. hes a loser

Yeah, I read the debate, and when he came with an argument you couldn't dispute, you just threw the record out there like its the only thing that matters. Its a lame argument.

Sherman was 44-20 in his years as the GM. So if record is the only thing that matters, why is it that Sherman hasn't even gotten a whiff of another GM job?

Look, I'll agree that TT sucks if we go a couple more years with out a legit championship caliber team. I think we had one in 07 and because of that, I am willing to let him do his job without ridiculing the bad moves while ignoring the good.

[Lurker64]

I as a TT hater...

Being a hater of someone who works to help the the team you cheer for do well, is objectively stupid.