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Greg Williams is available? I'd like to hire him yesterday.</delurk> -
Under the radar candidates.Though Moss has worked in Sanders’ defensive scheme the past three years, he spent his formative coaching seasons working for Jim Haslett with the New Orleans Saints from 2000 to 2005. Haslett, who finished this season as interim coach of the St. Louis Rams, runs a blitz-oriented 4-3 system that’s different than the Bates-Sanders system.
Other potential candidates are Pittsburgh linebackers coach Keith Butler, Carolina defensive backs coach and former Packer Tim Lewis and Washington secondary coach Jerry Gray, who was one of the candidates McCarthy interviewed before hiring Sanders.Potential candidates who haven’t been defensive coordinators in the NFL include:
-- Todd Bowles, a former Packers scout who worked for Bill Parcells in Dallas and is Miami’s defensive backs coach. He also carries the title of assistant head coach, which allows the Dolphins to block a move to any coaching position but head coach.
-- Pepper Johnson, New England’s linebackers coach. He’s worked nine seasons in the creative and versatile system coach Bill Belichick runs with the Patriots.
-- Bill Sheridan, the New York Giants’ linebackers coach. He’s worked the past two years in the defensive system run by Giants, the pressure-oriented system taught by Philadelphia Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Johnson.
-- Sean McDermott, Philadelphia’s defensive backs coach. The 34-year-old McDermott has coached defensive backs and linebackers under Johnson in that same pressure-oriented scheme since 2001."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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Isn't that what Rouse played in college, or am I thinking of the wrong recent draft pick?Originally posted by KYPackComment
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before i read this whole thread i just wanted to thank PR for making my day... i opened up the site, literally crossing my fingers, and the first headline i saw was this one...
HOPE 09!Comment
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I haven't seen this much fan certainty about the defensive coordinator positon since Fritz Shurmer left. Guy was a friggin genius, for sure. Except then he went to Denver and fizzled fast.
Sander was thought to be acceptable because he trained under the master. And last year when the defense played well, hardly a peep of objection was heard.
I guess the move is probably right because I suspect MM has the character and confidence to do what's best for the team. Until he proves this theory wrong in some incident, I cut him that slack.
I think the celebrators are chimps who just had some peanuts thrown in their cage.Comment
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What about Jim Bates? Is he fired with Shanahan?Originally posted by Harlan HucklebyThanks Ted!Comment
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Bates left Denver after one year. I don't think he worked last year.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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Pete Daugherty speculates:
Sanders fired as defensive coordinator, but who's next?
By Pete Dougherty • pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com • January 4, 2009
The Packers’ coach fired his defensive coordinator of the past three seasons, Bob Sanders, NationalFootballPost.com reported Sunday evening. McCarthy now begins the search for his replacement.
McCarthy took a full week after the Packers’ 2008 season ended to make the decision, which many inside and outside the organization expected after key defensive letdowns contributed significantly to the team’s 6-10 record. McCarthy hired Sanders, 55, as his defensive coordinator after being named head coach in 2006.
Sanders had been defensive line coach on former coach Mike Sherman’s staff, and McCarthy opted to promote him to defensive coordinator after Jim Bates turned down returning in that job. McCarthy liked the continuity Sanders provided in retaining the defensive scheme the Packers had used in 2005 as well as the aggressive man-to-man pass coverage the system deploys.
However, after finishing No. 12 in the NFL in yards allowed and tied for No. 6 in points allowed in 2007 in helping the Packers advance to the NFC championship game, Sanders’ defense dipped to Nos. 20 and 22, respectively, this season. Most importantly, the defense was unable to get key stops late in several close games the Packers lost and allowed more fourth-quarter points than all but one team in the league.
McCarthy’s background is as a quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator, so he faces a huge decision because his defensive coordinator has near autonomy over that side of the ball. Among the factors McCarthy has to consider is whether he wants to remain a 4-3 defense or switch to a 3-4, which would require major changes in the types of defensive linemen and linebackers the team would deploy.
The one potential candidate to replace Sanders on staff is Winston Moss, who is the Packers’ linebackers coach and assistant head coach. Though Moss has worked in Sanders’ defensive scheme the past three years, he spent his formative coaching seasons working for Jim Haslett with the New Orleans Saints from 2000 to 2005. Haslett, who finished this season as interim coach of the St. Louis Rams, runs a blitz-oriented 4-3 system that’s different from the Bates-Sanders system.
Moss also is a candidate for the St. Louis Rams’ head-coaching vacancy and interviewed for that position Saturday.
Haslett, who remains at least in the running for the Rams’ head-coaching opening, also is a potential candidate for McCarthy. |McCarthy was Haslett’s offensive coordinator with the Saints from 2000 to 2004.
Several former head coaches who were fired this year or are serving as position coaches also could be candidates: Mike Nolan, who was fired as San Francisco’s head coach this season; Gregg Williams, who was let go as Jacksonville’s defensive coordinator after the regular season; Romeo Crennel, who was fired as Cleveland’s head coach last week; Rod Marinelli, who was fired as Detroit’s coach last week; Jerry Gray, the former Buffalo Bills defensive coordinator and current secondary coach for the Washington Redskins; and Dave McGinnis, the former Arizona Cardinals coach and current Tennessee Titans linebackers coach whose additional title of assistant head coach allows the Titans to block a move to defensive coordinator if they choose.
Eric Mangini, who was fired as the New York Jets’ coach |after the season, is another possible replacement but appears to be a front-runner for Cleveland’s vacant head-coaching position.
Potential candidates who haven’t served as defensive coordinators in the NFL include:
Todd Bowles, a former Packers scout who worked for Bill Parcells in Dallas and now is Miami’s defensive backs coach. He also carries the title of assistant head coach, which allows the Dolphins to block a move to any coaching position but head coach.
Pepper Johnson, New England’s linebackers coach. He’s worked nine seasons in the creative and versatile system coach Bill Belichick runs with the Patriots.
Bill Sheridan, the New York Giants’ linebackers coach. He’s worked the past two years in the latest defensive system in vogue that’s run by Giants, the pressure-oriented system taught by Philadelphia Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Johnson.
Sean McDermott, Philadelphia’s defensive backs coach. The 34-year-old McDermott has coached defensive backs and linebackers under Jim Johnson in that same pressure-oriented scheme since 2001.
Hiring Nolan, Crennel, Pepper Johnson or Bowles would require an especially big change because all have backgrounds steeped in the 3-4 defensive scheme. The Packers’ roster is built for a 4-3 defense, so switching to the 3-4 would require adding a pure nose tackle and finding several hybrid linebackers who can both rush the passer and cover the flats in pass coverage.Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967Comment
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Seems like some good qualifications for the next DC might be:
1) Faith healer. It would have been nice to have had a healthy Jenkins, Bigby, Rouse, Harris, Hawk, Harrell, and KGB this past season.
2) Junkyard sculptor - the new DC will have to make a piece of art out of a load of trash. recycled crap, and a few rare gems.
3) Baby sitter - the defense is only going to get younger. No free agents and an inevitable turnover at cornerback in the next year or two.
EDIT: I feel ashamed that I forgot about Nick Barnett in the list of injured Packers. And this after Clefty was even thinking about writing a column about how under-valued Barnett had been and how the defense really fell apart after he was lost for the season...Comment
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Here's the guy I'd most like to see hired, which obviously means he won't even be interviewed. He was named #2 in an anonymous scout's listing of the Top 10 Coordinators in Waiting. He has spent the last 8 years under the league's most respected attacking, pressure-oriented defensive minds, and he receives a wealth of respect throughout the league as a very bright guy who already has a strong history of success at the positional coaching ranks.
Highlander said he's hearing Moss is the man.. I vaguely recall that highlander is a member of the media if I'm not mistken...? Highlander, can you refresh my memory as to why or how your sources might be credible?Sean McDermott
Secondary Coach
Philadelphia Eagles
One of the brightest, young defensive minds in the league, Sean McDermott enters his 10th season in Philadelphia. McDermott was named secondary coach on January 28, 2008, after a successful one-year stint as linebackers coach last season.
"I don't think there are a lot of secondary coaches that are as good as Sean McDermott," Eagles head coach Andy Reid said. "He was a phenomenal linebackers coach and, really, his versatility I just think is second to none."
The linebacking group flourished under McDermott in 2007 as two youngsters – Omar Gaither (team-leading 170 tackles and 14 hurries) and Chris Gocong (92 tackles, including 7 for a loss) – progressed into full-time starters for the first time in their careers.
From 2004-06, McDermott served as the Eagles secondary/safeties coach. In 2004, he saw both of his starting safeties (Brian Dawkins and Michael Lewis) earn Pro Bowl berths for the first time in team history. Under McDermott's watch, Dawkins went on to earn two more Pro Bowl berths following the 2005 and 2006 seasons. In addition, McDermott has been credited with the development of Eagles S Quintin Mikell.
McDermott worked as the Eagles assistant secondary coach in 2003 and as the club's defensive assistant/quality control coach from 2001-02, working with the linebacker position. In all, McDermott is the longest tenured defensive assistant coach under Jim Johnson.
Under McDermott's watch, one of his players (Dawkins twice, Lewis and Gaither) has been the most productive player on defense in four out of the last five years.
McDermott originally joined the Eagles in 1998 as a scouting administrative coordinator, a position he held until being promoted to assistant to the head coach in 1999.
From 1993-97, McDermott was a safety at the College of William and Mary, earning all-conference honors in 1997, Academic all-conference honors in 1996 and 1997, and NSCA Strength and Conditioning All-America accolades. In 1998, he was the recipient of the prestigious Benjamin Ewell Award for his tremendous leadership and excellence on campus and in the community. In the spring of 1998, McDermott began his coaching career at William and Mary.
A 1993 graduate of LaSalle HS, McDermott was named All-Southeastern Pennsylvania at defensive back in 1992. An all-around athlete, he was also a national prep school wrestling champion in his junior and senior year and lettered twice in track.
In 2005, McDermott was named to the Philadelphia Daily News All-Catholic league team for standout players over the last three decades.
A native of Omaha, Nebraska, McDermott (born 3/21/74) earned a bachelor degree in finance while at William and Mary. He enjoys exercising, playing golf and is an active member of the Church. He and his wife, Jamie, and their newborn daughter, Madeline, reside in Phoenixville, PA.
In any event, just in looking at what we know about McCarthy and his relationship with Moss, I too think he's most likely to choose Moss for the job, although my sources are Bob McGinn, Mike Vandermause and Cleft Crusty.Comment
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He must have been Darren Sharper's partner at safety in college.Sean McDermott
Secondary Coach
Philadelphia Eagles
From 1993-97, McDermott was a safety at the College of William and Mary, earning all-conference honors in 1997, Academic all-conference honors in 1996 and 1997, and NSCA Strength and Conditioning All-America accolades. In 1998, he was the recipient of the prestigious Benjamin Ewell Award for his tremendous leadership and excellence on campus and in the community. In the spring of 1998, McDermott began his coaching career at William and Mary.
See, there is a Packer connection!
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This is indeed shitty news--if it's true--to start the week.
If Sanders is gone, hopefully it will be Moss assuming he has the good sense to retain the same system.
If it's somebody from outside, hopefully it's not one of these blitz-happy idiots that will drag down the Packers.
If it's some 3-4 type, the Packers in fact do have decent personnel for that--Pickett at the nose, Jenkins and Kampman at DE, and plenty of serviceable LBs as well as smallish fast DEs who can play the wing, several of whom might even be more suited for 3-4. You can run the 3-4 different ways--either a lot of blitzing or very little (other than sending one LB for a four man run like the 4-3). If it's that, I wouldn't be too negative about it.
You also can run the 3-4 with mostly zone or with mostly man coverage. Hopefully we get somebody with the sense to do the latter--if indeed, this isn't all false, and if, indeed, they bring in a 3-4 guy.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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Its true tex, the Packers have a press release out. No meddlesome reporters to worry about.Originally posted by texaspackerbackerBud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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Blitzing oriented teams in the playoffs:
Arizona
Baltimore
San Diego
Pittsburg
Philadelphia
NY
Teams in playoffs that are not blitz oriented:
Tennessee
Carolina
What say you, Tex?Comment
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Seems like the better your D-line is, the less you have to blitz. Seems pretty common sensical to me.Originally posted by PartialOriginally posted by 3irty1Comment
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