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Originally posted by The Shadow
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Based on his predecessor, I believe he will be "Shit-Whitt" -
If he becomes DC some day, he will become Slo-Whitt.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard CohenComment
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I agree B. Unless Moss gets the St. Louis job, which I think everyone, probably including Moss expects to be a longshot, I think he's the frontrunner, pending any interviews with coaches currently still playing.Originally posted by Bretsky
It is possible I suppose that McCarthy has already been in contact with Nolan or whoever he intends to select that is not still coaching right now, who has already indicated he's on board with promoting Whitt, but that seems much more far-fetched to me. Moss would be the only one who would know enough about the guy to make thet judgement.
It would be inconsistent with McCarthy's character, particularly as an offensive-minded coach, to unilaterally make that decision at this time otherwise.Comment
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OK, help me understand. Why fire everybody if you are going to promote from within? Wouldn't you allow Moss to keep who he wanted from the just-fired staff? I would think that Moss would have kept one or two coaches for continuity. For example, Washington. The DBs didn't play all that bad this year, did they? Yes/No?My house is in Georgia but Wisconsin is my home.Comment
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This is absolutely not how things are normally done. The only scenario that makes sense to me is that McCarthy is holding the DC spot for Moss until the Rams HC interviews are played out.Originally posted by AtlPackFan
I think of MM as a straight shooter but this whole episode reeks of backroom deals and coaches having to watch their back instead of watching film on nest week's opponent.[QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.Comment
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If Whitt is in fact now the secondary coach, then I'd have to agree that this most likely means Winston Moss is the new DC barring a surprise hire by St. Louis.
It's the only scenario that makes sense. You fire everybody and his brother - except for one young guy - then you promote that guy, so whoever the new DC coming in is, you can say "hire whomever you want...except you have to have this one guy." Nope. Too weird.
And I'm okay with Moss. I really don't want the team to have to learn a whole new system - esp. the 3-4, which would require different types of players, completely. That means next season would probably be a wash because it'd b e a learning year. The heck with that.
Sounds like MM likes Moss, works well with him, and the players seem to like him as well. MM's future rides on this hire, so he may as well hire the guy who gives his team the best chance the soonest. I'm sure he's considering that as he mulls the hire."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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His predecessor was the coach of the finest defensive backfield in the NFL in 2008...Originally posted by KYPack
I really don't get all the Shotty hate after what his group accomplished this season. Sure, Harris and Woodson and all that... But what about Nick Collins and Tramon Williams? They weren't great players before Shotty got here...Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to growComment
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Maybe Whitt is just a good coach that they don't want to lose.Comment
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How do you explain pretty much every other year he ever coached? Maybe he finally figured it out this year, but we don't know what was going on behind the scenes.Originally posted by Gunakor
Judging from his past body of work, his firing and the promotion of Whitt, I have a feeling that input from other coaches was part of the improved secondary play this year, not some revelation by the Shotty. Of course, I am 100% guessing and don't have anything to back that up...Comment
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Interesting footnote - Whitt's duties when he was hired were said to include breaking down film of opponents, and assisting the DB coaches. This was his first year. Perhaps MM felt the Whitt had more to do with the improved DB play than either Schottenheimer or Washington.Originally posted by GunakorComment
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You could be right, but in a world where you are judged by your latest performance, Shotty deserved to stay IMO. Even if it was him getting advice from other coaches, that doesn't change what happened in 2008. Even if it was due to the advice he got from other coaches, wouldn't he retain that advice next year?Originally posted by sharpe1027
Bigger still is the emergence of Collins and Williams. Collins was shit before Shotty got here, and was shit while Shotty was here - up until this year. Now he's been voted by fans, coaches, and players as the best free safety in the NFC. I'm not sure I buy that, to be honest, but it is what it is. He's become a much better player, and I think that has as much to do with Kurt Shottenheimer as anyone else you could name. Same goes for Tramon Williams.
I don't know, but I have a sick feeling in my stomach that the contribution from our DB's is going to go down next year because of this move.Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to growComment
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Good point. Still, I would never advocate a change to something that works. If Shotty as the DB's coach with the help of Whitt is what made this defensive backfield work, then Shotty should be kept as the DC and Whitt as his assistant once again. That works.Originally posted by PatlerChuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to growComment
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It would be difficult for the contribution to go up, it was pretty much tops in the league. You need to associate the production with the cause or you can't be sure that it will continue. Simply saying, hey it worked, let's not change anything doesn't make sense to me.Originally posted by Gunakor
If the improvement is primarily due to something other than Shott, keeping him is like keeping an anchor simply because you were able to drag that anchor fast enough to do well.Comment
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This is where we disagree. I subscribe to the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy. If you agree that our DB's were tops in the NFL this year, then you must also agree that it wasn't broken. Why change anything?Originally posted by sharpe1027Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to growComment
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I would guess that the people in charge were of the opinion that Schot didn't have much to do with the improvement.Originally posted by Gunakor
Look at it this way, if other coaches responsible for most of the improvement, you risk losing them by keeping Schott because they won't get recognized for their efforts. Plus, it can breed resentment internally and cause friction between coaches.
If it aint broke, you still change the dirty oil.
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