NFP - Rumor - Winston Moss to be new DC

[vince]

If Whitt is being retained/promoted for secondary coach then I dont see how this rumor could be anything but truth. You don't hire a DC and force a position coach on him ... do you?!

I'd say the signs point to McCarthy heavily leaning in this direction at this point, pending the oucome in St. Louis and possibly a couple interviews as JSO reported, but I think Moss is the far-and-away front runner right now.

He would appear to be the "change with continuity" answer, but if Ive been wrong before...

I wouldn't hate this decision if it comes about, but I'd be more excited witn some other candidates...

[Partial]

change with continuity is just a scapegoat. I'm really not happy about Moss being considered. I want Williams, the LB coach from Pitt, or McDermott. Those are my top 3, not necessarily in that order.

[vince]

change with continuity is just a scapegoat. I'm really not happy about Moss being considered. I want Williams, the LB coach from Pitt, or McDermott. Those are my top 3, not necessarily in that order.

A scapegoat for what?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I kinda agree with Partial here. If the system is really so underperforming, don't you go outside the organization to retool it? Otherwise, there is the faint whiff of a mere scapegoating job.

But I don't have a strong opinion about the next defensive coordinator. Its about personalities, mostly. MM can choose whoever he thinks will light a fire.

[vince]

Sanders is obviously the scapegoat for past failures regardless of who is selected, but I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that this decision will not be made with sincere intent to implement change in one way or another to improve results, based on McCarthy's in-depth evaluation of the problems.

If he just wanted to shift blame from himself by merely creating a scapegoat and not implementing real change he thinks is needed, he wouldn't select someone so close to him.

If Moss is selected, there is already evidence that he would take the defense in a different direction based on his recently documented philosophical differences of opinion with Sanders.

Moss would not be my selection based on my incredibly limited perspectiive, but I know relatively nothing about the situion. None of us do.

It's amazing to me that people would actually think they know what should really be done here, adn rush to lay blame for a decision that may in fact be very successful - because it doesn't conform with whatever they annointed as the "right" one - before one down is even played under the new coordinator.

We know nothing relative to McCarthy about Winston Moss. We don't even know what kind of defense he would want to implement. Few if any of us have access to the information and resources that McCarthy does about trhe other candidates for the job.

Regardless of who's selected, that guy at least deserves the opportunity to have a press conference so we can get to hnow him and his philosophical approach a bit, doesn't he?

Or is Partial's sheer brilliance and ability to annoint the "right" decision so superior to McCarthy's intelligence, virtually unlimited resources and many years of first-hand experience in coaching and working with coaches that we should immediately blame McCarthy for fucking up before a down is played?

[RashanGary]

Moss is not proven. I'd rather see someone who had more success. I'd rather see someone who has proven he can have complete control of a defense adn make it work. I think this team is getting close. Maybe it works out, but it's hard to feel completely cozy when MM completely fucked up the last time he hired a defensive staff and now he's doing pretty much the same thing.

[Joemailman]

If Whitt is being retained/promoted for secondary coach then I dont see how this rumor could be anything but truth. You don't hire a DC and force a position coach on him ... do you?!

That's not necessarily true. It was MM who brought Moss here, not Sanders. I suspect the degree to which a new DC gets to pick his coaches varies from team to team.

[Bretsky]

Moss is not proven. I'd rather see someone who had more success. I'd rather see someone who has proven he can have complete control of a defense adn make it work. I think this team is getting close. Maybe it works out, but it's hard to feel completely cozy when MM completely fucked up the last time he hired a defensive staff and now he's doing pretty much the same thing.

amen

[vince]

Moss is not proven. I'd rather see someone who had more success. I'd rather see someone who has proven he can have complete control of a defense adn make it work. I think this team is getting close. Maybe it works out, but it's hard to feel completely cozy when MM completely fucked up the last time he hired a defensive staff and now he's doing pretty much the same thing.

That's why TT takes as much heat as he does... He doesn't make people all warm and fuzzy with his decisions. That doesn't make them wrong.

I'm OK with a "risky" move until the real merits of the decision are determined on the field. A DC's value can be assertained much more quickly and simply than a GM's can...

Besides, Moss is clearly much more "proven" to McCarthy, having worked with him every day for the last three years and prior.

[Patler]

Moss is not proven. I'd rather see someone who had more success. I'd rather see someone who has proven he can have complete control of a defense adn make it work. I think this team is getting close. Maybe it works out, but it's hard to feel completely cozy when MM completely fucked up the last time he hired a defensive staff and now he's doing pretty much the same thing.

amen

I agree. He could turn out to be the next great DC in all of the NFL, but right now I won't be too excited if he is named DC in a week or so. Of course, I'm not too sure that anyone will be all that exciting right now. However, the mere idea of a change being made makes it interesting.

[Fritz]

I'd be more excited about Moss getting the job than say Mike Nolan, who would bring in the 3-4, which would require discarding many of the current players, re-teaching others whole new schemes and responsibilities...I think it would set the team back two or three years. And because I believe this offense is primed for next year - if they quit fudging around with the offensive line - I'd like to see more minor changes. And now that it's been documented that Moss did not like the vanilla game plans, it seems clear that he'd bring something new to the table - more agressiveness without having to completely junbk the defense and many of the players that are in it.

As a few people here have noted, Kampman would not seem to be a good fit in a 3-4. So now you'd be in a position of not being able to use your best or second best defensive player? And to all those who do that "oh trade him for three first rounders" junk, rem,ember that all teams dealing with the Packers would know that the Packers were more or less putting themselves in a position of being forced to get rid of the guy, thus driving the price down.

I don't know. I think you adapt the scheme to the talents of the players you've been drafting for the past three or four years.

[red]

you'll notice the article says "MIGHT" be the next DC

it doesn't say he will be for sure

[sheepshead]

you'll notice the article says "MIGHT" be the next DC

it doesn't say he will be for sure

Uhh uhh, I think that was covered by the guy that titled this 'rumor'

[Pack-man]

Our linebackers suck...What has Moss done to deserve to be DC???

Barnett had a season-ending injury, and I don't think Hawk was ever healthy. Prior to this year, Barnett's play had improved markedly under Moss, and Hawk seemed on the verge of being an outstanding player. I think the major decline on the DL had a lot to do with the decreased effectiveness of the LB's.

I agree with you 100%. The DL play was so crappy it completely affected the play of the LB. Tough to make a play when the DT's are being blown back 5 yards into you.

I don't want to see Moss hired as the DC but I really don't blame him for the LB play this season.

[HarveyWallbangers]

If Moss is selected, there is already evidence that he would take the defense in a different direction based on his recently documented philosophical differences of opinion with Sanders.

That's what I'm reading into the situation. If the reports about Moss being disgruntled about Sanders system are true, I doubt he sticks with it. I'm guessing he'd stick with the 4-3, but would definitely bring some more exotic packages. At least, I hope so.