Gerald McCoy

[Farley Face]

TT like Ron Wolf generally picks best available. Yes, the qbs do not factor in but if McCoy and Mays are already taken what other players warrant a #9 pick? Crabtree imo does. (Assuming available)

Before you conclude that Crabtree is too good to pass up and he's a surefire difference maker and pro bowler, I'd suggest you do some research on how often these guys come up and how often they're busts.

I mean, if you want a crash course on this, just look at recent Detroit Lions drafts. Crabtree isn't half the college player that Calvin Johnson was, and if Calvin Johnson was available to draft at #9 this year, I don't think I would take him.

Lurk, I love your posts typically, but if Calvin Johnson were available at #9 I would step on my grandmother's neck to get his name on a card in the commisioner's hands. Mike Williams, even Roy Williams, I follow your logic, but CJ is special.

[rbaloha1]

TT like Ron Wolf generally picks best available. Yes, the qbs do not factor in but if McCoy and Mays are already taken what other players warrant a #9 pick? Crabtree imo does. (Assuming available)

Before you conclude that Crabtree is too good to pass up and he's a surefire difference maker and pro bowler, I'd suggest you do some research on how often these guys come up and how often they're busts.

Why do single out wrs? How many high dt and des were also busts? Jimmy Kennedy, Jamal Reynolds, Dan Wilkinson, etc.

[Lurker64]

Before we get ahead of ourselves too much, I have to speculate that it's woefully unlikely that Crabtree makes it past Kansas City (who has 1 WR), Seattle (who has no WRs), and Oakland (who is run by Al Davis, and doesn't have any WRs to boot.)

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

TT like Ron Wolf generally picks best available. Yes, the qbs do not factor in but if McCoy and Mays are already taken what other players warrant a #9 pick? Crabtree imo does. (Assuming available)

Before you conclude that Crabtree is too good to pass up and he's a surefire difference maker and pro bowler, I'd suggest you do some research on how often these guys come up and how often they're busts.

I mean, if you want a crash course on this, just look at recent Detroit Lions drafts. Crabtree isn't half the college player that Calvin Johnson was, and if Calvin Johnson was available to draft at #9 this year, I don't think I would take him.

Let me start off by saying I by no means want to trade Driver and do not want a Wr in the first round. But lets say Carbtree was available and lets say you had a trade partner that would take Driver for a high second round pick. Would you pick Crabtree and trade Driver?

Draft Crabtree and keep DD. DD can help with the mentoring. Crabtree would compete for #3 eventually taking over for DD.

Doubt you could keep Jones, Nelson, and Martin happy if you did that. And what would be that point of having that many good Wrs on the roster?

[MJZiggy]

That sounds like a very "Liony" thing to do...

[Farley Face]

Before we get ahead of ourselves too much, I have to speculate that it's woefully unlikely that Crabtree makes it past Kansas City (who has 1 WR), Seattle (who has no WRs), and Oakland (who is run by Al Davis, and doesn't have any WRs to boot.)

I live in Seattle. From what I hear, if he is available, they snag him, no doubt. I haven't seen enough of him to know if the Andre Johnson comparisons are accurate.

[rbaloha1]

[quote="PaCkFan_n_MD"][quote="rbaloha"]

TT like Ron Wolf generally picks best available. Yes, the qbs do not factor in but if McCoy and Mays are already taken what other players warrant a #9 pick? Crabtree imo does. (Assuming available)

Doubt you could keep Jones, Nelson, and Martin happy if you did that. And what would be that point of having that many good Wrs on the roster?

Who cares about Martin? Jones is always hurt and drops too many balls. Unfortunatly as other posts mention Crabtree is probably gone. Back to Taylor Mays.

[jmbarnes101]

Very good player. Could he play DE in a 3-4?

I've been impressed by this guy. http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/...e_gresham.html

Anybody know if he's declared for the draft?

Wow

Impressive. 6'6", 260 and had almost 900 receiving yards and 12 TDs not including tonight. Those are impressive numbers for a college tight end.

I'd be more inclined to go defense, though. Especially since I think Finley could make a pretty big jump next season..At least I hope so..He showed some big play potential towards the end of the season.

I wouldn't pass on someone who could be a special talent just because he's a TE, though.

I liked Gresham prior to the game tonight and was in my top 10. After tonight he's in my top 5 for this year's draft if he comes out. I think he'd open up the offense even more and combined with Finley would hopefully give us a great TE combo.

[rbaloha1]

Very good player. Could he play DE in a 3-4?

I've been impressed by this guy. http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/...e_gresham.html

Anybody know if he's declared for the draft?

Wow

Impressive. 6'6", 260 and had almost 900 receiving yards and 12 TDs not including tonight. Those are impressive numbers for a college tight end.

I'd be more inclined to go defense, though. Especially since I think Finley could make a pretty big jump next season..At least I hope so..He showed some big play potential towards the end of the season.

I wouldn't pass on someone who could be a special talent just because he's a TE, though.

I liked Gresham prior to the game tonight and was in my top 10. After tonight he's in my top 5 for this year's draft if he comes out. I think he'd open up the offense even more and combined with Finley would hopefully give us a great TE combo.

What are draft gurus saying. Does he project as a top 10? Possible nice addition but other positions are more critical.

[Bossman641]

Very good player. Could he play DE in a 3-4?

I've been impressed by this guy. http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/...e_gresham.html

Anybody know if he's declared for the draft?

Wow

Impressive. 6'6", 260 and had almost 900 receiving yards and 12 TDs not including tonight. Those are impressive numbers for a college tight end.

I'd be more inclined to go defense, though. Especially since I think Finley could make a pretty big jump next season..At least I hope so..He showed some big play potential towards the end of the season.

I wouldn't pass on someone who could be a special talent just because he's a TE, though.

I liked Gresham prior to the game tonight and was in my top 10. After tonight he's in my top 5 for this year's draft if he comes out. I think he'd open up the offense even more and combined with Finley would hopefully give us a great TE combo.

What are draft gurus saying. Does he project as a top 10? Possible nice addition but other positions are more critical.

I think I heard late teens, early 20's as a projection for him.

[Guiness]

Before you conclude that Crabtree is too good to pass up and he's a surefire difference maker and pro bowler, I'd suggest you do some research on how often these guys come up and how often they're busts.

I mean, if you want a crash course on this, just look at recent Detroit Lions drafts. Crabtree isn't half the college player that Calvin Johnson was, and if Calvin Johnson was available to draft at #9 this year, I don't think I would take him.

Lurk, I love your posts typically, but if Calvin Johnson were available at #9 I would step on my grandmother's neck to get his name on a card in the commisioner's hands. Mike Williams, even Roy Williams, I follow your logic, but CJ is special.

Farley Face, I was going to respond to Lurker's post, but couldn't have put it as eloquently as you did!

I know what you're trying to say Lurker, but careful with the names you bandy about.

[Bretsky]

Crabtree is going #5 to Seattle IMO; fits their needs and he's a star

GB should be looking for a star at #9; I agree that if he's there they should probably take him.........but he won't be

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TT like Ron Wolf generally picks best available. Yes, the qbs do not factor in but if McCoy and Mays are already taken what other players warrant a #9 pick? Crabtree imo does. (Assuming available)

Before you conclude that Crabtree is too good to pass up and he's a surefire difference maker and pro bowler, I'd suggest you do some research on how often these guys come up and how often they're busts.

I mean, if you want a crash course on this, just look at recent Detroit Lions drafts. Crabtree isn't half the college player that Calvin Johnson was, and if Calvin Johnson was available to draft at #9 this year, I don't think I would take him.

Ummm.. Statistically, Crabtree is the far superior player. We're talking nearly three times the yards and more than three times the touchdowns touchdowns as a freshman. The sophomore year results are similiar. Obviously with Harrell being a pretty good quarterback for the system, and Tech being a run and gun team, they're going to score more points.

Athletically, it goes to Johnson with a slight edge. Johnson obviously was gifted with better size. However, Calvin is slow to get off the jam in the pros because he is such a long strider. Crabtree could have more success.

With that said, they're both top tier prospects. Johnson was rare, and Crabtree probably isn't as freakish because of the size difference, but I suspect he'll be a very good pro.

Like Bretsky said, if he's there at 9, you take him or trade down as somebody will pay big to get this stud.

[mission]

Ya if he's there (and I doubt he will), you gotta just take him and figure it out later ...

That said, with so many guys recently announcing (Moreno, Stafford, etc) that they're declaring for the draft, I think this year might go down as one of those blessings in disguises... the top 15 talent pool is growing and if we can't make something happen here, it's all on us (TT) heh...

Honestly, I want Rey/Mays and Moreno ... Knowshawn is special. 2nd round? Where is he being projected... ?

[Partial]

Ya if he's there (and I doubt he will), you gotta just take him and figure it out later ...

That said, with so many guys recently announcing (Moreno, Stafford, etc) that they're declaring for the draft, I think this year might go down as one of those blessings in disguises... the top 15 talent pool is growing and if we can't make something happen here, it's all on us (TT) heh...

Honestly, I want Rey/Mays and Moreno ... Knowshawn is special. 2nd round? Where is he being projected... ?

homer But I agree, he's a fantastic college runner. I haven't seen him enough to have an opinion on how he'll do in the pros.